Why are rare,infrequent EXCEPTIONS require more rules,regulations???

[NYcarbineer]

If the present trends continue, gun deaths in the US will be greater than auto accident deaths. Yet the gun nuts and the NRA continue to state that the cure to the problem is more guns in our society. In no other first world nation are there anywhere near the kind numbers and kind of gun violence we see here in the US.

We have a problem, a serious one, and the 'Conservatives' are stating, "ignore it, it is not important".

Yes gun deaths are rising. BUT again read carefully the following:
1) NOT ONE auto decided to kill anyone. For that reason we aren't outlawing autos.
2) NOT ONE gun decided to fire itself.

And guess what else. Neither autos or guns can read any laws against them!

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Then why do you need a license to drive a car?

 

[The Rabbi]

If the present trends continue, gun deaths in the US will be greater than auto accident deaths. Yet the gun nuts and the NRA continue to state that the cure to the problem is more guns in our society. In no other first world nation are there anywhere near the kind numbers and kind of gun violence we see here in the US.

We have a problem, a serious one, and the 'Conservatives' are stating, "ignore it, it is not important".

Yes gun deaths are rising. BUT again read carefully the following:
1) NOT ONE auto decided to kill anyone. For that reason we aren't outlawing autos.
2) NOT ONE gun decided to fire itself.

And guess what else. Neither autos or guns can read any laws against them!

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Then why do you need a license to drive a car?

Because states decided that.
What does that have to do with anything? Or are you so out of counter arguments that you have to deflect to irrelevance?

 

[Boss]

Why are rare,infrequent EXCEPTIONS require more rules,regulations???

Because liberals do their thinking with their heart. Everything is an emotional reaction. They don't think about or consider anything else, just their raw emotion. This leads to stupidity layered on top of stupidity.

Of course, you couple this with Republicans who are currently suffering Beaten Dog Syndrome, and will literally do whatever the Dems want to keep from being whipped again... there's your formula.

 

[healthmyths]

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Well using your "logic" then we should never been involved in WWII because it was a failure on FDR at Pearl Harbor right?
And Yes to airlines enforcing the rules... how many EL AL Israel Airlines have been hijacked? They followed their rules before 9/11. Simple rules.

Why, yes, if you want to be an apartheid police state that treats its own citizens like second class people, you can probably control terrorism in one area.

Of course, Arabs don't need to hijack planes to kill Jews in Israel...All they have to do is strap on a bomb and walk down the street.

ARGUMENT FAIL!!!!

The FACT is you are confusion hospitals and physicians in the payment example.
THE FACT is I've access to a 6,000 hospital database that shows exactly how much hospitals bill Medicare and what it costs the hospital to perform the service.
YOU obviously never heard of the 1986 law known as EMTALA. Take a little time and see WHY Medicare accepts these gross overcharges.
For example:
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And Medicare is OK with these gross overcharges! WHY because they know the hospitals have to abide by EMTALA ... LOOK IT UP!!

I have.

EMTALA.COM - Resources and information

Has nothing to do with Medicaid.

Has EVERYTHING to do with not letting hospitals dump sick and injured people off on other hospitals or refuse them treatment because they are poor.

Again, EMTALA wouldn't be necessary if we had universal health care. Emergency rooms would be for Emergencies, as they should be.

Where did MEDICAID come in to the discussion??
AND we have almost 98% of AMERICANS that want health insurance ALREADY COVERED... HOW MUCH MORE UNIVERSAL is that??
AGAIN for the umpteenth time:
THERE ARE NOT 46 million AMERICANS that want insurance but can't get it!

GIVEN: The Census bureau says 10 million of the 46 million "uninsured' are not citizens…
Subtract 10 million from 46 million leaves 36 million… NOT 46 million!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau

GIVEN: 14 million are eligible for Medicaid..but they are counted as "uninsured"….
but Obama totally ignored this FACT and subtracting 14 million from 36 million leaves 22 million…
Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified by the Census Bureau, which found:
- Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government
health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules.

REACHABLE meaning all these people had to do was enroll! NO money. NO risks! Just enroll!
14 million already eligible only need to register with MEDICAID!

So far we've reduced the 46 million by 10 million NON-Citizens, 14 million that simply had to enroll as they were covered by Medicaid!
That leaves 22 million!

The last time I checked as an American I had the right to NOT buy health insurance!

18 million people declaring that right!
They are under age 34.
They make over $50,000 a year decided it is cheaper just to pay out of pocket the average of
$1,000 per year for their health needs then take up their employers' health plan.
And they pay their health services bills because: Their credit rating depends on their paying their bills--- they pay their own way!
Source: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

That leaves 4 million out of 310 million! That means 98.7% of Americans either have coverage or don't need it! NOT 46 million!
THAT IS UNIVERSAL to me!

Now those same 4 million "uninsured" that want insurance that go to emergency rooms as you described! They can be covered by the
Uninsured Health Insurance Co. © -UHIC...
A 10% Tax on the $200 billion a year lawyers make (exactly like Obamacare taxing tanning salons!) would pay a $5,000 a year premium for each of the 4 million!
So when a "uninsured" goes to emergency room.
Hospital checks to see if they have a UHIC card and if so.. ALL the claims for services go to UHIC!
Hospital is audited to make sure Medicare/private insurance isn't being "padded and passed" i.e. no more 6,000% overcharging!

Problem solved!
Lawyers that are causing $850 billion a year in defensive medicine would see a reduction in the 10% tax for every reduction in the $850 billion a year in defensive medicine!
Experts i.e. physicians surveyed have said they know that nearly 30% of all health expenditures are duplicates, referrals.. AlL out of fear of lawsuits!

$850 billion a year! Simply because physicians don't want to be sued!

After all the experts i.e. doctors all contend they spend 34% of the national $2.5 trillion in duplicate tests,specialists.
ALL out of fear of lawsuits! That's $850 billion .. a YEAR!
Findings from this survey include the following:

• Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
• Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
• 76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
• 53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
• Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
• Women are most affected by defensive medicine.
• Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
• 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.

Source:Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

Tax the lawyers .. pays for 4 million uninsured. Prevents 6,000% markups to Medicare. And see how much healthcare costs PLUNGE!
Then insurance premiums PLUNGE...
ALL because 1.2% of Americans that need coverage are covered by taxing the wealthy ambulance chasing lawyers just as Obamacare is taxing tanning salons!

 

[JoeB131]

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Not bothering to read your "let them die" spam again.

The fact is, we spend more than any other nation in the world, and we get results that are closer to the third world than advanced industrial democracies.

Because the wealthy keep Rubes like you convinced that socialized medicine would be bad (Hint, no country that already has it is trying to convert to our system) we had the intolerable nonsense of having 50 million uninsured and 26 million underinsured.

But fuck that. Those of us WITH insurance are a large part of the problem. Because frankly, the insurance companies got as rich as they are by NOT paying out claims.

 

[The Rabbi]

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Not bothering to read your "let them die" spam again.

The fact is, we spend more than any other nation in the world, and we get results that are closer to the third world than advanced industrial democracies.

Because the wealthy keep Rubes like you convinced that socialized medicine would be bad (Hint, no country that already has it is trying to convert to our system) we had the intolerable nonsense of having 50 million uninsured and 26 million underinsured.

But fuck that. Those of us WITH insurance are a large part of the problem. Because frankly, the insurance companies got as rich as they are by NOT paying out claims.

Joe, all of those points have been debunked so many times it is amazing that you can write them without irony.

 

[JoeB131]

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Not bothering to read your "let them die" spam again.

The fact is, we spend more than any other nation in the world, and we get results that are closer to the third world than advanced industrial democracies.

Because the wealthy keep Rubes like you convinced that socialized medicine would be bad (Hint, no country that already has it is trying to convert to our system) we had the intolerable nonsense of having 50 million uninsured and 26 million underinsured.

But fuck that. Those of us WITH insurance are a large part of the problem. Because frankly, the insurance companies got as rich as they are by NOT paying out claims.

Joe, all of those points have been debunked so many times it is amazing that you can write them without irony.

Debunked by who, a bunch of derpa-derps who believe whatever Faux News and Hate Radio tells them because they've never been outside the US?

 

[Papageorgio]

This is just the way they are. Standing on a pile of dead children and providing a Pavlovian response to a decades old wet dream.

Bush murdered more children in the first 24 hours of the Iraq war than were killed at Sandy Hook,

and those murders had no bigger fan than you. Coupled with your above post, you seem to evince a rather disturbing amount of glee of the deaths of the young.

Why is that, exactly?

Didn't he get a large overwhelming support for his actions by both parties, include House and Senate Democrats that voted to give him the power to act?

 

[Papageorgio]

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Not bothering to read your "let them die" spam again.

The fact is, we spend more than any other nation in the world, and we get results that are closer to the third world than advanced industrial democracies.

Because the wealthy keep Rubes like you convinced that socialized medicine would be bad (Hint, no country that already has it is trying to convert to our system) we had the intolerable nonsense of having 50 million uninsured and 26 million underinsured.

But fuck that. Those of us WITH insurance are a large part of the problem. Because frankly, the insurance companies got as rich as they are by NOT paying out claims.

Sorry but you are very wrong in your perception of healthcare.

Your 50 million number has been proved over inflated time after time.

America rates high in places to come for health care, ask Canadians and Brits, who like many people in many countries come to the US for health care.

Insurance companies payout on over 97% of their claims. Government run Medicare pays out less than 93% of the time.

 

[JoeB131]

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Sorry but you are very wrong in your perception of healthcare.

Your 50 million number has been proved over inflated time after time.

America rates high in places to come for health care, ask Canadians and Brits, who like many people in many countries come to the US for health care.

Insurance companies payout on over 97% of their claims. Government run Medicare pays out less than 93% of the time.

RICH people come to the US for health care, usually because they don't want to share a hospital room with a poor person.

Dude, everything is better when you are rich.

I don't want a health care system that is awesome for just the rich people. I want one that's awesome for the rest of us... which ours isn't compared to the rest of the industrialized world.

We pay more per person.
We have too many underinsured and uninsured.
62% of bankruptcies are linked to medical crisis.
We have the lowest life expectency in the industrialized world.
We have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world.

 

[The Breeze]

The point of this is an example.
Our country is being managed based on the exception and not what is the norm or rule.
Why the big issue over Sandy Hook when over the past 30 years 62 shootings and an average of 8 per year!
Why not just enforce the laws we have? Making new laws appears to be just a feel good exercise... see we are doing something!
When in reality just enforce the current damn Laws!

It keeps the minds of the sheep off of our failing economy.

 

[Papageorgio]

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Sorry but you are very wrong in your perception of healthcare.

Your 50 million number has been proved over inflated time after time.

America rates high in places to come for health care, ask Canadians and Brits, who like many people in many countries come to the US for health care.

Insurance companies payout on over 97% of their claims. Government run Medicare pays out less than 93% of the time.

RICH people come to the US for health care, usually because they don't want to share a hospital room with a poor person.

Dude, everything is better when you are rich.

I don't want a health care system that is awesome for just the rich people. I want one that's awesome for the rest of us... which ours isn't compared to the rest of the industrialized world.

We pay more per person.
We have too many underinsured and uninsured.
62% of bankruptcies are linked to medical crisis.
We have the lowest life expectency in the industrialized world.
We have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world.

We pay more per person for education, the government hasn't helped there, they just want more money.

We also live the unhealthiest of lifestyles, do you think that would factor in?

You will always have a health care system for the rich, that's why Congress exempted themselves from Obamacare.

Not seeing an real compelling argument, so far none of what you stated will change, except the government will deny more claims than the private sector, I wonder why?

 

[JoeB131]

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We pay more per person for education, the government hasn't helped there, they just want more money.

Do you really want to go there. When the rich have to go to the same inner city schools poor people go to with the leaking roofs and the textbooks that are older than the kids, then you can talk to me.

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We also live the unhealthiest of lifestyles, do you think that would factor in?

No, not really. First, lifestyle should be part of health care. If those damned socialist Europeans are less likely to be on the Twinkie Diet, it's because they are seeing doctors often enough to get their health monitored.

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You will always have a health care system for the rich, that's why Congress exempted themselves from Obamacare.

Congress has had its own plan. In fact, of the 150 million of us with plans already, ObamaCare has no real effect.

Not seeing an real compelling argument, so far none of what you stated will change, except the government will deny more claims than the private sector, I wonder why?

Where do you get that? Oh, because you want it to be true.

MEANWHILE in the real world.

Medicare Beats Private Plans for Patient Satisfaction: Survey

THURSDAY, July 19 (HealthDay News) -- Older Americans enrolled in Medicare health plans have better access to care and are less likely to have problems paying their medical bills than people who insure themselves or receive coverage through their employers, according to a new study.

People with individual or employer-sponsored health plans were much more likely to have high out-of-pocket expenses, the researchers said. Although 29 percent of older adults on Medicare reported spending 10 percent or more of their income on medical costs, 37 percent of those with employer-based insurance and 58 percent with individual insurance did the same.

Paying rent and buying food and other essentials was a problem for 27 percent of adults with employer-sponsored plans and 33 percent of those with individual insurance. On the other hand, 13 percent of Medicare beneficiaries were unable to pay for their basic necessities.

Wow. Imagine that. People on Medicare are happier than folks on Private Insurance. I wonder why?