Which President will history treat kinder, Bush Jnr or Clinton?

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    I am a moderate republican, and I am reading Bill Clinton's autobiography. I was recently struck by a question in my mind, which was which president will be treated kinder by history.

    Clinton: Balanced the budget after 8 years of cutting from a massive deficit. Cheated on his wife but no man is perfect. And cheating is not illegal, but immoral. During his tenure as president, his domestic priorities included efforts to create a universal healthcare system, to improve education, to restrict handgun sales, to balance the federal budget, to strengthen environmental regulations, to improve race relations, and to protect the jobs of workers during pregnancy or medical emergency.His domestic agenda also included other themes such as reforming welfare programs, expanding the "War on Drugs", and increasing law enforcement funding. Internationally, his priorities included reducing trade barriers, preventing nuclear proliferation, and mediating the Northern Ireland peace process and Israeli-Palestinian conflicts.


    Bush: Increased deficit to a large amount. Dedicated tax cutter. Spyed on Americans, through a grey area wiretap program. In 2003, the United States and a multinational force took military action in Iraq, overthrowing and eventually capturing Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. However, the war has lasted far longer than the administration's original estimate of 6 weeks to 6 months. Bush has also signed into law a Medicare prescription drug plan and tax cuts at all income levels. Federal spending in constant dollars increased under Bush by 26% in his first four and one-half years.Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act, with Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy as chief sponsor, which aims to close the achievement gap, measures student performance, provides options to parents with students in low-performing schools, and targets more federal funding to low-income schools.
     
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    I see Clinton getting kinder treatment. I'll let you know in 10 years.
     
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    That's an interesting avatar.
     
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    Interesting question.... in part:



    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history
     
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    Not a bad record, all told, particularly given that he had investigations distracting him for 8 years which no other president ever had to face.

    Some additional observations:

    Tax cuts benefit predominantly the top 1% of wage-earners and he's the sole leader in history to cut taxes during wartime, thus creating deficits that will take generations to pay off.

    Medicare prescription drug plan has been confusing to seniors and been noted to be a "gift" to drug companies.

    No Child Left Behind is an unfunded mandate which Kennedy says he was duped into, expecting Congress to fund it at Bush's urging. Bush didn't urge, Congress didn't fund. The effect of the law has been to put undue pressue on high-performing schools which have no additional funding to meet increased attendance....thus making the highly perfoming schools perform less well. And yes, it's Congress that allocates funds, but Bush has stated repeatedly that his administration works out the numbers with Congress.

    And there's the stellar performance of FEMA after Katrina which, while not solely the fault of the administration due to failures at the state and local level, it did highlight the incompetent leadership in the Federal Agency and the error of making it part of the Department of Homeland Security.

    oh...and there's the president's refusal to reconsider decisions which turn out to be mistakes....such as leaving Rumsfeld in his post. Now, everyone makes mistakes and no one expects the president to be any different. But the failure to change course in the face of such mistakes doesn't reflect well and will likely hurt any legacy he might have had.

    So.... can you guess where I stand on this issue? ;)
     
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    rollingstoners.com? :teeth:
     
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    Not a bad record, all told, particularly given that he had investigations distracting him for 8 years which no other president ever had to face.

    It was a witch hunt for Ken Starr. He threw people into jail just because they wouldn't tell him lies about Clinton.
     
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    Maybe in the '60's :dance:
     
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    :rock: on! :banana:
     
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    Heh! :bow3:
     

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