Where are the job bills?

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    OK then point out all of these jobs created or "saved" by the wonderful stimulus. You are talking of a completely different time and I think you will not have a list for 2010. A time before career minded politicians who won't make a stand at the risk of not getting re elected. Do you disagree with my previous statement about politicians? Or do you feel they are doing a great job?
     
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    2010, in my backyard: The Bay Bridge (Eastern Span) and the fourth bore of the Caldecott Tunnel (A tunnel through the East Bay Hills connecting Contra Costa County (pop: 1,000,000) to San Francisco, Oakland/Alameda and San Jose/Silicon Valley (both are projects of several years duration). In addition dozens of repairs to bridges, many build by the WPA, sea walls protecting Western SF from the rising oceans, earthquake retrofitting for real estate and hundreds of small transportation projects.
    Transportation improvement provide for easier and cheaper commercial enterprise, save fuel and provide jobs for thousands of construction workers who spend their income in local business.

    Pols have always put their election first and everything else second. I agree Pols are more focused on themselves and their reelection than the common good. Blame our collective failure to control the money which drives politics and at least consider how Citizens United v. FEC will exacerbate this very issue; watch how the Republican's will refuse to consider allowing the people of California to vote on tax extensions because each individual has been threatened to do so will end their career.
     
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    The shape of today's economy just does not show improvement. While there may be isolated projects in some states, the unemployment numbers are still double digit and show very little, if any, signs of improving. You would think that spending almost 1 trillion dollars, we should be much lower with those emp. numbers. In the big picture, the stimulus did very little to improve jobs numbers so the justification to increase the deficit in order to improve the situation has done a very poor job. When we borrow money to improve unemployment and the economy and things look as they are today, I consider that a failure. The deficit today is 14+ trillion and increasing every minute. With that fact and the current average unemployment numbers , do you still feel the stimulus was productive? IMO it was like paying 800 thousand dollars towards the 14 trillion. Not very wise based on the numbers.
    To keep bringing up Republicans while ignoring the poor performance of the Dems seems very partisan based rather than factual. Neither "side" has a lock on continuing to destroy the US economy. As I stated before, power, control and maintaining that at all costs is what most politicians are about and the ones that want to actually get serious with the spending just get swallowed up by the system.
     
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    The economy show no sign of improvement? GDP has been rising for more than year. Retail sales have increased every month since May 2010. The index of consumer confidence has been going up since last Aug. The stock market has almost doubled in value since it's low in 2009. Unemployment is 8.9% down from it's high of 10.1% in Oct. 2009. And new home sales are up this year. I think those are some pretty strong signs of improvement.
     
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    All those numbers have been artificially propped up by the fed's continuing to print money. It simply can't be sustained. And again, we can't have a true recovery with double digit unemployment...and those numbers are not changing. Also, the jump in oil prices will only serve to undo any positive signs. States are nearing bankruptcy and the only solution is layoffs. That will increase the unemployment numbers.
    It is all smoke and mirrors until those numbers begin to decline and many economist are predicting a double dip recession. You have to agree that a 14+ trillion deficit only helps to move things in the wrong direction and neither side have put forth any meaningful cuts to the spending. No one wants to touch the big three Medicare, Medicaid and SS. Just going after the waste in all of those would be a big step in reducing the deficit.
     
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    Except we don't have double digit unemployment and the numbers are changing...February was 8.9%, down from 9.0 which was down from 9.4 which was down from 9.8
     
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    The initial post in this thread was to ask where are the bills to create jobs. We have seen much rhetoric from the House Republicans but little action save for their ass kissing of the social conservatatives and tea party.
    I doubt very much the House Republicans care about the misery of the unemployed - clearly blaming those out of work as lazy and not looking for jobs because they get unemployment (which the R's wish to eliminate) is absurd. Yet some believe it and post it as if it is the absolute truth.
    It is obvious that the Republican Party has lost it's soul, if in fact it ever had one. Callous conservatives dominate the debate and winning the next election is the sole focus of R Party leaders.
     
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    youre operating under the false premise that it is the federal government's job to hold your hand and be your nanny.
     
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    What did you say about neo-cons attacking Libya? President Obama has done it.
    When are the voters going to get it through their heads that the Federal Government has gotten way to big for it's britches?
    NPR will do just fine without gov. assistance.
    And Gov. can't create jobs. The private sector does.
     
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    It’s been a long time since I’ve seen a post with so many things that are just not true. First of all the Fed cannot as you say prop up those numbers. The government and the Fed can provide monetary and fiscal stimulus but economic indicators such as retail sales, the stock market, and unemployment depend on a response from consumers and businesses. If the economy does not respond, those indicators are not going to improve. Unemployment is 8.9% down from it’s high of 10.1% 18 months ago. All of the unemployment indicators, U1-U6 are down. Most economists are not predicting a double dip. On the contrary, most economist are predicting a continued slow recovery through 2011 and 2012.

    Deficit spending is a long-term problem in this country as it is in most of the world and will continue to be. It is has little impact on the current recovery but threatens long-term growth of the economy.

    Both parties want to do something about entitlement programs, but they can’t because these programs either directly or indirectly effect about half the population.
     

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