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jasendorf said:Isn't that cute? Said, dillo and GZ putting on their own little minstrel show!
No. That would be improve. Foo.
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jasendorf said:Isn't that cute? Said, dillo and GZ putting on their own little minstrel show!
jasendorf said:The Swiftboat vets weren't even there.
McCain is your party's only hope.
Glad to know how you feel about veterans who lose limbs in defense of their country. I know that Republicans only care about veterans who'll toe their Party line, but do you have to be so blatent about it?
jasendorf said:The Swiftboat vets weren't even there.
McCain is your party's only hope.
Glad to know how you feel about veterans who lose limbs in defense of their country. I know that Republicans only care about veterans who'll toe their Party line, but do you have to be so blatent about it?
GunnyL said:Attempting to toss out the "guilt trip" card seems to be a thing of yours.
Once again, you address only one side of the issue. The Dems could give a rat's ass about veterans or the military. Objectivity doesn't appear to be your forte.
red states rule said:McCain is our only hope? Sorry the I am not a Dem. McCain may be able to help the Dems in 08 but is a big fat zero in the Republican party
Dems have a long history of bashing and smearing our troops. The troops know that, and they showed that when they voted for Pres Bush over John "I served in Viet Nam" Kerry by a 75% - 25% margin
red states rule said:McCain is our only hope? Sorry the I am not a Dem. McCain may be able to help the Dems in 08 but is a big fat zero in the Republican party
Dems have a long history of bashing and smearing our troops. The troops know that, and they showed that when they voted for Pres Bush over John "I served in Viet Nam" Kerry by a 75% - 25% margin
jasendorf said:Really, so, uh, I bash and smear myself...???
hmmmm... interesting.
Try again.
red states rule said:Is that why Gore wanted to toss out the military vote in Fla in 2000? Because he loves them?
That's not only a lie, it's a damned lie. But, I've come to expect lies from you. Truth is this, he wanted every vote counted equally. If a ballot was cast illegally, he wanted it tassed, but you only care about the rule of law when it suits you and your party.
Is that why liberal Profesore call for the murder of our troops and openly state how they hope the US loses in Iraq?
Cite one.
Libs love our troops and show it by calling for them to murder their commanding officers.
Cite one.
I remember how John "I served in Viet Nam" Kerry called the troops terrorists on Meet the Press
You do? Maybe you're far older than you've suggested then... since it was in 1971.
Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy said Saddams' torture chambers are open under new management - the US military
So you approve of the events at Abu Grahib? If so, then it is people with your mindset who get our troops killed and help fuel the insurgency.
Sen Dick Turbin called the troops Nazis on the Senate floor
Another lie. Not surprised... you have plenty to spread around. Actual text of what he said: "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings," Durbin said. "Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
Yes the libs love our troops. They stand shoulder to shoulder with them. However it is a cold shoulder
GunnyL said:I think you quoted the wrong dude, dude.
GunnyL said:Have you ever served under a Democrat President?
jasendorf said:You know, I've been lots of places in uniform... and yet, I've never met one of these supposed liberals who will bash us everywhere we go... but, a strawman argument is better than no argument I guess.
jasendorf said:Let's see... I joined when Reagan was still President. Served under President Bush #1, President Clinton and now under President Bush the current.
So, no, not really... Clinton was a democrat like Alan Colmes is a liberal.
red states rule said:Here is Sen Turbin....
If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent
describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would
most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their
gulags, or some mad regime =96 Pol Pot or others =96 that had no concern for
human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans
in the treatment of their prisoners.
Already quoted it. And nowhere in it does he call our troops Nazis. Thanks for reitterating it.
Here is John "I served in Viet Nam" Kerry...........
And the is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night terrorizing kids and children, you know, women breaking sort of the customes of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs.
Are you saying they do?
GunnyL said:I beg to differ. Clinton had to play the moderate to get the vote. Just like Hillary has been trying to do, but she keeps gigging herself.
At any rate, the military fared FAR better under Reagan and Bush I than it did Carter or Clinton.
And dude, Gore tried to cheat his way into the Presidency by counting every little scratch and dent as a vote for himself while Bush had to be clear-cut unquestionable. That topic's not even good debate fodder anymore. What took place is obvious to anyone who doesn't have their blinders on.
You're playing semantics with Durbin's words. He in effect called our troops Nazis. First off, the fraternity-style crap that went on at Abu Ghraib was NOTHING compared to what the Nazis did. So that in itself was an exaggerated lie.
Second, he did not specify that the military personnel involved represented less than 1% of all military personnel, and 0% of the active force. Yes, it was a crime, and yes, those responsible were punished. The incident was hardly worth all the time, effort and $ it was given.
As a member of the military, you KNOW, or should, the military is far less lenient on criminals than civilians are. Once NIS/CID and/or the SJA smell blood, they're in for the kill.
So Dickie boy did his best to misrepresent the truth to support his political agenda. Simple as that.
GunnyL said:At any rate, the military fared FAR better under Reagan and Bush I than it did Carter or Clinton.
red states rule said:I find to interesting the same thing libs are saying about our troops is the same thing al Jazeera is saying
No matter how you try to spin it or deny it Sen Turbin call the troops Nazis, John "I served in Viet Nam" called them terrorists, Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy said they are operating torture chambers, liberal professors want our troops dead, and want more 9-11 attacks on America
Go and enjoy your party and enjoy your minority status
jasendorf said:I wanted to address this on its own merits.
The military drawdown of the 90's was a direct result of the excessive spending of the Cold War designed to force the Soviet Union out of business. Luckily the Democratic Congress allocated that money (at the behest of President Reagan) for our military to force them out of business.
The drawdown in forces was initiated by Reagan in 1988 through the BCC. Then, in 1991, Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney presided over the first major BRAC drawdowns. President GHW Bush understood that we couldn't, and shouldn't, retain a military to fight a superpower when no other superpowers existed. He set in motion (along with the Democratic Congress, because you can't pass a budget without them) the resulting drawdown.
President Clinton followed the eact path laid out by the BRAC reccommendations set forth by Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney. Then the REPUBLICAN HOUSE of 1995 CONTINUED the BRAC recommendations. And, to this day, they are STILL closing and realigning bases.
The military has done what the nation needed it to do. The nation doesn't serve us, we serve it. But, as long as we serve it... we shouldn't be used as a poltical football to hide the fiscal failures of the Administration.
red states rule said:If this administration is so rooten to the military why did they vote for Pres Bush over John "I served in Viet Nam" Kerry by a 75% -25% margin?
jasendorf said:Hmmm... how exactly do you know that again? Oh, that's right... we have secret ballots in the U.S. You don't. But, it's an opt-repeated number that the cons like to throw out there with no POSSIBLE proof. Why, because if you propagate a lie engouh times, people will start to believe you.