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    "32 million more people will have health coverage thanks to ObamaCare by 2016 :?

    So where are these 32 million of 46? million uninsured???

    253.5 million or 85% of Americans have health insurance
    In 2007, the Census Bureau reported that 253.4 million people -- about 85 percent of the total population -- did have health insurance.

    So let's assume there ARE supposedly 50 million uninsured.

    According to Census Bureau data, of the estimated 46 million "Americans" without health insurance, more than 10 million are non-U.S. citizens.

    If 10 million "uninsured" are NOT citizens that
    leaves 36 million!



    14 million "uninsured" already covered by Existing Government Health Care Plans Not Being Used

    A 2003 Blue Cross/Blue Shield Association study concluded that, "More than 14 million uninsured Americans are already eligible for health insurance through Medicaid and State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).

    So after subtracting 10 million "non-citizens and 14 million Already covered that leaves...
    22 million supposedly truly uninsured"

    Some Just Don't Want Insurance
    Many young workers, whose employers do offer it, simply do not consider health insurance. According to the Census Bureau,
    18.3 million of the uninsured are under age 34.

    The Affordability Factor
    In 2007 the Census Bureau reported that more than 14 million people without health insurance earned annual incomes of at least $50,000, with 7.2 million of them making over $75,000.

    So assuming a minimum of 7.2 million can afford OR are under 34 and don't want insurance and subtracting 7.2 million from 22 million supposedly uninsured that leaves 15.8 million supposedly "uninsured"!

    So where are the "32 million supposedly now covered" under Obamacare?

    I mean taking the Census that 15% of 312 million or 46 million is correct
    and subtracting 10 million not citizens,
    14 million already covered but don't know it and
    7.2 million that can afford but don't want it.. that leaves
    15.8 million!

    Where are the 32 million???

    Health Insurance US Health Insurance Statistics – How Many Really are Uninsured?
     
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    I guess they'd be in the sources you DIDN'T cite. Everything's "crystal clear" when you only present one side of an argument. If Obamacare is so bad, why are you quibbling about numbers? Are prople actually seeing they like certain provisions, so have to take a different tack?!?! I think you're busted, man. :cool:
     
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    Excuse me...but if you want honesty..then present honesty.

    So far the only two part of the healthcare law have gone into affect...and both are the only two assets of the healthcaqre law..

    the under 26 year old part of it..
    and
    The dismissal of pre existing conditions clauses.

    Yes, both are great provisions...but when it is all enccted, premiums are going to skyrocket....THEN we will see how many people are for it.

    Did you really never question why things dont hapopen for years in that law?

    So people will enjoy the positives without experiencing the negatives.

    It was a game played by Obama and the democrats.
     
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    Did you click on this link:
    Health Insurance US Health Insurance Statistics – How Many Really are Uninsured?

    Because all the statistics.. i.e. come from that link..
    10 million "uninsured" are not citizens..
    14 million are covered by Medicaid/SCHIP but not registered
    7.2 million people who can afford DON"T want to buy but will be forced!
    that makes 31.2 million that are not citizens,already covered and don't want.. so again where are the 46 million much less the 32 million?
    My math shows subtract 31.2 from 46 leaves 15.8..
    NOT 32 million.. NOT 46 million!

    ARE YOU A F..king idiot??
    "If Obamacare is so bad, why are you quibbling about numbers? "

    BECAUSE IDIOTS like and those in Congress passed Obamacare BECAUSE they believed there was 46 to 50 million uninsured and that MYTH convinced some people they were "doing good"!!!

    Obamacare NEVER addressed the $600 billion a year "defensive Medicine" cost.
    Obamacare NEVER addressed something you are totally ignorant of i.e.
    hospitals over charge sometimes 6,000% to Medicare and you ignorantly think then the government can manage better ALL healthcare as Obamacare?

    YOU are totally ignorant and that's why this Obamanation called Obamacare passed because stupid, ignorant people like YOU NEVER questioned the MSM and their extremely biased stories... YOU naively believed that 46 to 50 million are uninsured .. NEVER questioning the numbers much less the premise that Obamacare would NEVER work and will add $100 billion a year in additional national debt.. minimum!!!
    And you dumb..s..t... if you own ANY property watch your property taxes skyrocket and you won't even know why that it was in part to Obamacare!
     
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    Then tell your man to quit qibbling over numbers and present the facts. If what you say is true, why not talk about that? The OP makes it sound like opponents are on the defensive now that the truth about the positive points of the plan are known. That would make what has been said previously and what you're saying now, mere scare tactics. :doubt:
     
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    Then why are the Republicans blocking Medicare reform? How can we trust people who say "Stop Socialism" one minute and "Don't Touch Medicare" the next? I guess that's why they're going to get what they deserve, a flip-flopper like Romney as their candidate. :lol:
     
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    But you are assuming that the opposition was not aware of the positives of the plan and denied the positives of the plan.
    They were well aware of the positives of the plan and never denied the positives of the plan....they simply believed that the neagatgives will outweigh the positives.

    So what did the democratic congress do?

    Have the positives kick in years before the negatives.

    And when the negatives kick in? It will be too late.

    It is known as taking advantage of the naevity of the American People.
     
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    Which part of your stats highlight people who have insurance but were denied coverage they needed? How about people who had insurance that was woefully inadequate to really insure them against anything?
     
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    why are you not aware of the GOP stance?
    I dont get it. I am well aware of the democratic party stance....

    The GOP is well aware that Medicare has become a way of life for the American People...and once that happens, it is very difficult to change it.

    That is why they want to kill the healthcare plan before it becomes a way of life for America...for when the costs skyrocket, it may be too late to ween the American People off of it....such as happened with Medicare.
     
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    YOU ARE RIGHT!! There were people denied coverage!

    NOW the FACTS..

    "The Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan"
    https://www.pcip.gov/

    IF there was such a huge problem.. then why are only 41,427 people enrolled when the projections were according to The Medicare program chief actuary predicted last spring that 375,000 would sign up for the new risk pool insurance in 2010!
    State by State Enrollment in the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, as of October 31, 2011 | HealthCare.gov

    The projections were 89% OFF!
    WHY if it was such a "dire" pressing problem that Out of 310 million Americans, only 41,427 people have the problem given as the principal reason for spending almost $1 trillion, creating more than 150 regulatory agencies and causing perhaps 150 million or more people to change the coverage they now have.

    http://healthblog.ncpa.org/health-problem-quantified/
     

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