What Would Have Happened Had We Not Invaded Iraq?

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    safire's theory is one i can see a lot of truth in... we may be paying a heavy price for liberating iraq and transforming it, but we would have paid an even heavier price had we not...

     
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    Speculation is always difficult but Safire did a pretty good job. Main point is that this region of the world NEVER had any intentions of acting peacefully toward America and just be satisfied with any status quo. That's what anti war folks can't get through their heads.
     
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    scenario:

    Riding the wave of good will towards the U.S. following 9/11, we devote twice the resources we did to rooting out Al Qaeda, and capture Osama bin Laden based on intelligence provided by a Muslim community who did not see us as an anti-Muslim empire. We do not shy away from taking on Saudi Arabia, a kingdom as dysfunctional as Iraq's dictatorship, and fully investigate the origins and support for Al Qaeda there. We do not reduce taxes catastrophically, and therefore have more freedom to act in criticizing our "friends" there, since we do not need their financing to prop up our economy. Meanwhile, in Iraq, Hussein continues to cheat the oil-for-food program. However, we have fired George Tenet for misinterpreting intelligence and we have acknowledged that the Energy Dept., which provided a negative opinion within 24 hours of CIA reports that WMD evidence was found, was right. Therefore we know Iraq poses us no risk yet. We wait a year, during which we assemble a coalition of 300 nations that agree Hussein needs to be taken out. The costs are shared, as are the casualties, and support within the neighboring regimes is high, reducing their willingness to let Baathists flee and hopeful insurgents enter through their borders into Iraq. We listen to the generals, and invade with far greater forces, securing arms and museums, not just oil fields. Etc. In the end, we're $200 billion richer, 1000 American lives are saved, we have no budget deficit, and we enjoy the admiration of the world's Muslim nations. Our approval rating in Indonesia rises from 76% instead of falling to 16%, and recruiting for madrasas and terrorist camps slows to a trickle. We try bin Laden in an international court of law, where he is convicted and placed in prison for life along with hundreds of Al Qaeda followers.

    Libya, North Korea, and Iran then face pressure from an energized and far more united world community in 2005. They relent, seeing that force is inevitable if they do not.

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    there aren't nearly 300 nations in the world, barely 200 if that many

    and russia, france and china would never, ever have allowed UNSC approval for the invasion of iraq, even with the rest of the world supporting it. they stood to lose too much money, power and influence. thinking otherwise is, as i discovered myself a few months earlier, very dilluted wishful thinking
     
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    You're probably right about France, Russia, and China, but that still leaves 189 other sovereign nations (yes, I was exaggerating for poetical effect, multiplying Bush's 30 by 10).

    If what we're doing is so obviously right as most on this bullletin board claim, then why have other nations been so slow to see the light? Why has the coalition shrunk rather than growing?

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    the worldwide media and EU have done a grand job of convincing much of the world every soldier over there is a war criminal, america wants iraq as a colony and that the terrorists/insurgents over there only want freedom
     
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    LOL. :rotflmao:

    They sign a treaty which they promptly disregard. While the world community is giving them food they are taking and selling the food and using the money to buy the equipment and plutonium necessary to give them Nuclear capability. They continue to thumb their noses at the International Wimp Committee (otherwise known as the UN) as they wipe their asses with 100 dollar bills that they get from selling the food we give them and laugh about the stupid Americans that cannot learn from History, even recent History and realize that the treaties that they sign are not worth even the ink to write them.

    America is later attacked by a suitcase nuke because of the total lack of foresight and even hindsight of those that work for the status quo and towards treaties over action even with those that have shown to bargain in bad faith in the past.

    Thank the gods it is only a nightmare and didn't happen.....
     

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