What to do with the 20 million

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    WHAT TO DO WITH THE 20 MILLION ILLEGALS

    Ron Paul when asked what would he do with the 20 million illegal aliens who are here, he reacted with; “nothing until the borders are secure” which means nothing. Like those before him and as those with him would do. “Until the border is secure” means nothing. No one want to act on those who are already here. Some even would do what Obama has been trying to do for the past three years. Put on a path to citizenship.

    The 20 million legal immigrants we have are costing us much as the 20 million illegal immigrants, Legalization cost us more. It will cost the taxpayers and save business by continuing to be a legal source of cheap labor and votes for politicians.

    American taxpayers are the losers in legal and illegal immigration.
     
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    H.B 1134 has been introduced by a Republican in the senate just recently and has gotten some good support so far. It is a national E-verify bill that would eliminate states from not having one of their own. Go to numbers USA and register an make sure your representatives know how you feel about them supporting this. Also make sure they are behind The Clear Act which has to do with eliminating sanctuary cities. Need to have one just for the State of California.
     
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    Silver lining to the dark cloud of a bad economy...
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    On a piece of paper write out what you want to say and then call and read it to the operator or voice mail.

    Contact Elected Officials: And give them a piece of your mind.
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    How has Obama put illegals onto a path to citizenship?
     
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    I think it is their illogical thinking because he announced that they were using resources to deport only those here accused of crimes and giving a temporary EAD card to those who are not accused of any crimes...
     
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    Actually Ron Paul's plan is the only one that makes logical sense. His COMPLETE plan is to:
    1) Bring ALL US troops home to secure and defend OUR BORDERS not those of some 3rd world dictator- and that is the job of our military, not nation building, we are a Republic NOT and Empire - Empires all end badly
    2) End entitlements - huge incentive gone and eliminate income taxes
    3) Children born to illegals in this country are NOT citizens
    4) Dr Paul as ascertained that it would be impossible to round up all illegals ( and lets be honest, it would) so his strategy is this, if you are here and you are not arrested then you will not be pursued, However if you are arrested - for anything, you are deported, his logic is if you are arrested, whether or not you committed the crime you were arrested for, you are a criminal because you are here and therefore should be deported. If you are here illegally and are not arrested since there are no entitlements and no income taxes then it's really no harm, no foul.

    People laugh at Dr Paul but frankly he's been the only guy talking sense in Washington for a long time. It bothers me when someone takes one sentence out of his plans and yeah that sounds a little nutty BUT if people would actually let him finish and give the guy a chance they's be surprised.


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    The illegal aliens are here simply on the backs of legal entries, H1B's etc

    we could station an army on our boarders, yet it will do little good if we don't come to terms with the legislation that basically perpetuates the problem

    proliferating cheap labor might help biz here, but it doesn't help our economy displacing American workers doing so

    revisting this legislation is , imho, the right thing to do for the American worker, yet it would be pulling corporatism's tail to do so

    and many have taken note that Mr. Paul is very careful about doing just that

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    Maybe Mexico:eusa_hand: should build a fence to keep murkins out ?
     
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    Its actually about 11 million and Obama hasn't put them on a path to citizenship.

    I lived 20 miles west of Tucson for about 25 years. They came to my door, some of them came every year as they made the trip to the job that was waiting for them. Many of them spoke English and by the time they made it to my door, some of them had been walking for 2 or 3 weeks and were literally near death. Its against the law to help them but, as far as I was concerned, they were human beings and I never turned even one of the away.

    We all like to believe that its possible to secure our border(s) but its really not. Mexico is the least of our problems and there has never been a way to stop traffic back and forth over that border. And, every terrorist who has caused us harm, or tried to harm us, came through one of the other three borders.

    The US invites the illegal migrant workers here. We give them jobs, year after year, in our produce fields. There are two excellent documentaries showing on Current TV recently.

    The US is causing more harm to Mexico than vice versa. The well-meaning NAFTA resulted in the end of the corn market in Mexico. Huge corporate US agri-business sent very cheap corn to Mexico which drove small, family-owned farms out of business. Corn is the absolute bedrock-backbone of the Mexican economy. Losing it meant the drug dealers got an easier hold on the people.

    We sell guns to Mexico and then we buy their drugs. Until we can stop the guns and drugs market, Mexico will continue in its really sad downward spiral.

    We may also want to consider going back to a humane version of the old Braceros program. The US used to send planes to Mexico, load up migrant workers, work them almost to death in our fields and then fly them home. The old folk song by Woody Guthrie, Deportee was written after one of the planes crashed, killing everyone on board. (oops, I tried to post a link to You Tube but if you want to hear it, just search under "Deportee".)

    As it is now, small, family farms in the US are going out of business because they can't afford to pay US prices for labor and its illegal to hire illegals. Again, big business will be standing by to buy them out for pennies on the dollar and then, you can bet, they'll go right on hiring the cheap slave labor from Mexico.

    Stupid and very racist laws like 1070 in Arizona do nothing to address the causes of the problem but do plenty to add to the fear and hate. People need someone to blame and right now, brown skin is getting most of it.

    Arizona's Governor Brewer isn't very bright but it seems likely she is easily cowed by the likes of white supremacist state Senator Russell Pearce, white supremacist/skinhead, Sheriff Babeu of Pinal County, KKK Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa county and the brains behind most of it, KKK Kris Kobach of Kansas.

    Arizona used to be a really wonderful state but I'll never consider going back there to live.
     

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