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Jefferson can be quoted to take both sides of any issue.
That is one thing about Jefferson - He contradicted himself all the time..
Thomas Jefferson's Letters
what would those safeguards be exactly?
We could start with K Street, which finds new interesting ways to legally bribe our elected officials. If you got rid of every single perk a registered lobbyist could give an elected official, and the only thing they could do was argue a POV, that would be a start. No phony fact finding trips paid by them. No phony golf outings, disguised as charity tournaments, or vacations disguised as fact finding missions, paying for anything for an elected official or their staff. No lobbyist run PACs.
Then we could work on recusal of any federal legislature, who had direct interest, or a direct family member (mother, father, spouse, sibling, or child) who had equity, including options, employment, contract or consulting agreement, from voting on legislation on any public law where a clear material gain could be demonstrated.
and the unions too? is that correct?
Unions should be treated as giant corporations that have no products to tax.what would those safeguards be exactly?
We could start with K Street, which finds new interesting ways to legally bribe our elected officials. If you got rid of every single perk a registered lobbyist could give an elected official, and the only thing they could do was argue a POV, that would be a start. No phony fact finding trips paid by them. No phony golf outings, disguised as charity tournaments, or vacations disguised as fact finding missions, paying for anything for an elected official or their staff. No lobbyist run PACs.
Then we could work on recusal of any federal legislature, who had direct interest, or a direct family member (mother, father, spouse, sibling, or child) who had equity, including options, employment, contract or consulting agreement, from voting on legislation on any public law where a clear material gain could be demonstrated.
Do you feel the same way about Unions and their influence peddling, Lefty?
We could start with K Street, which finds new interesting ways to legally bribe our elected officials. If you got rid of every single perk a registered lobbyist could give an elected official, and the only thing they could do was argue a POV, that would be a start. No phony fact finding trips paid by them. No phony golf outings, disguised as charity tournaments, or vacations disguised as fact finding missions, paying for anything for an elected official or their staff. No lobbyist run PACs.
Then we could work on recusal of any federal legislature, who had direct interest, or a direct family member (mother, father, spouse, sibling, or child) who had equity, including options, employment, contract or consulting agreement, from voting on legislation on any public law where a clear material gain could be demonstrated.
and the unions too? is that correct?
The same lobbying restrictions should apply across the board. They should all make have equal access to make their case on proposed or existing public law, but lawmakers only interest should be in writing good law, and not the law with the best personal perks.
Jefferson can be quoted to take both sides of any issue.
That is one thing about Jefferson - He contradicted himself all the time..
Thomas Jefferson's Letters
They all did. Moving from ideology and philosophy to the pragmatic problem of actually governing took its tole. Jefferson's oft used quote about quenching the tree of liberty wasn't repeated much after he saw what happened if France.
But their position on limiting the scope and even duration of chartered corporations didn't do much of a flip flop.
and the unions too? is that correct?
The same lobbying restrictions should apply across the board. They should all make have equal access to make their case on proposed or existing public law, but lawmakers only interest should be in writing good law, and not the law with the best personal perks.
You must know that for a politician to spend millions of dollars to get elected to a post the pays in the low hundreds of thousands of dollars, he must be expecting a large flow of cash, gifts, perks and other enhancements of his own family's wealth for several years to come.
It is the politicians that need fixing...not the corporations!
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A good place to start is not making entering public life a way to skim a lifestyle of the rich and famous. The less that monied interest can influence elected officials with essentially legal bribery, and the more elected officials have to decide law on the basis of what's in our overall interest, the less corrupt they'll become.
Sign the National Right to Work Act petition, y'all!
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So you think it's a good idea for government to overturn a contractual agreement between employer and its employees?
Sign the National Right to Work Act petition, y'all!
National Right to Work Act | The National Right to Work Committee®
Sign the National Right to Work Act petition, y'all!
National Right to Work Act | The National Right to Work Committee®
So you think it's a good idea for government to overturn a contractual agreement between employer and its employees?
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A good place to start is not making entering public life a way to skim a lifestyle of the rich and famous. The less that monied interest can influence elected officials with essentially legal bribery, and the more elected officials have to decide law on the basis of what's in our overall interest, the less corrupt they'll become.
You are being reasonable on this thread, so I will politely point out that this is a pipe dream.
Yes, it's just a blog. But it makes an interesting argument, using facts. So instead of shooting the messenger, and feeble minded flaming (from both sides). Let's try something new, and have an intelligent discussion (yeah, I know I'm dreaming).
What The Founding Fathers Thought About Corporations
One interesting observation comes from Jefferson.
1802 letter to Secretary of State Albert Gallatin, Jefferson said,
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
Thomas Jefferson also said this in 1816,
“I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
How well did he describe our financial near collapse of 2008? It seems to predict what will happen if we allow financial institutions to become "too big to fail" pretty well.
Then you have Lincoln:
“We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood … It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.”
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So you think it's a good idea for government to overturn a contractual agreement between employer and its employees?
You think people should be forced to join a union to gain employment?
That is fascism at its finest...
Yes, it's just a blog. But it makes an interesting argument, using facts. So instead of shooting the messenger, and feeble minded flaming (from both sides). Let's try something new, and have an intelligent discussion (yeah, I know I'm dreaming).
What The Founding Fathers Thought About Corporations
One interesting observation comes from Jefferson.
1802 letter to Secretary of State Albert Gallatin, Jefferson said,
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson also said this in 1816,
I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
How well did he describe our financial near collapse of 2008? It seems to predict what will happen if we allow financial institutions to become "too big to fail" pretty well.
Then you have Lincoln:
We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.
Jefferson said,
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
Thomas Jefferson also said this in 1816,
I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
