What Liberals Don’t Understand About Ayn Rand

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    Most often, here at USMB and on the internet in general, leftist confuse Ayn Rand the woman with the philosophy of Objectivism or the ideals of her fictional characters. They forget, or pretend too, that one may be pro-Socrates and anti-suicide. One may pick and choose ideas and arguments for the pre-insane Nietzsche without making the false assumption that German philosophy necessarily leads to Nazism. Indeed, one may even support many aspects of President Clinton while still despising Clinton the woman abusing letch.

    It is a great mistake to dismiss out of hand, arguably the greatest philosopher of the 20th century. Especially when the Left is such dire need of modern intellectuals on their own side. Probably the best thing the Left could do for itself these days would be to pick up a copy of Philosophy: Who Needs It or Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal and attempt to dispute it.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    Ayn Rand was a troubled person. Why should one follow her troubled path?
     
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    Noted your response time. :lol:

    This is the type of leftist reflexive aliteracy that should be easily avoided but inevitably is not. To avoid that embarrassing error in the future see the post: What Liberals Don’t Understand About Ayn Rand, by Ragnar. You just might learn something.
     
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    We've already learned that she thought poor people were parasites on society. Every man for himself.

    The policy of "let him die" fits right in with her philosophy. Too bad she was allowed to have Medicare and wasn't forced to live within her own "ideas". Only this country actually believes in "brotherhood". At least half of it does. Not the right half. They applaud executions.
     
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    Another aliterate boob missed the point.

    Philosophy is harder for some than others.
     
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    Ayn Rand was a parasite, looter, moocher who collected Social Security and Medicare under the name Ann O'Connor. Of course when SHE leeches off of the government it's OK because she is acting in her own SELF INTEREST consistent with her philosophy of selfishness.
     
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    Again... Most often, here at USMB and on the internet in general, leftist confuse Ayn Rand the woman with the philosophy of Objectivism or the ideals of her fictional characters. They forget, or pretend too, that one may be pro-Socrates and anti-suicide. One may pick and choose ideas and arguments for the pre-insane Nietzsche without making the false assumption that German philosophy necessarily leads to Nazism. Indeed, one may even support many aspects of President Clinton while still despising Clinton the woman abusing letch.
     
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    The irony of this, of course, is many conservatives fail to do the same thing; most insist that Rand’s dogma be accepted as absolute.

    Rand? Hardly.

    Most on the left don’t believe intellectuals ‘take sides,’ they believe a truth or viable doctrine is comprehensively applicable and valid.
     
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    Wrong - Most on the left believe intellectualism itself is entirely their exclusive turf.

    Right - Truth is comprehensively applicable and necessarily valid. Spoken like a diehard Objectivist
    . :D

    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/truth.html
     
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    I think you are missing the 'point'. Ayn Rand was allowed to have Medicare and wasn't forced to live within her own "ideas"

    A much more brilliant man sums up Ayn Rand's philosophy succinctly:

    Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
    Oscar Wilde
     
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