What if the right could win???

[Humorme]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

 

[irosie91]

I had the impression that there are people seeking to do away with the automatic citizenship
for people born in the USA-----if the parents are not citizens. -----FROM NOW ON.....
its not true?

 

[cnelsen]

he's deported everybody he don't like.

Here's where I stopped reading.

 

[BULLDOG]

I had the impression that there are people seeking to do away with the automatic citizenship
for people born in the USA-----if the parents are not citizens. -----FROM NOW ON.....
its not true?

People are working on lots of things that will never happen. I wouldn't hold my breath for the constitutional amendment required to make that one happen

 

[Humorme]

I had the impression that there are people seeking to do away with the automatic citizenship
for people born in the USA-----if the parents are not citizens. -----FROM NOW ON.....
its not true?

They can seek all they want, but this is civics 101. Under the 14th Amendment, if you were born here, you are a citizen. Again, the government cannot "uncitizen" those already here. And, even if that could be done (and trust me, it cannot) you still have that problem I described.

The Constitution's ban on ex post facto laws prohibits the kind of legislation you're describing. The only remedy you have is to amend the Constitution. That requires either two thirds of the U.S. House and Senate OR two thirds of the state legislatures. Most laws are being passed right now with 50 percent plus one vote. Where are you going to find these people to make up a two thirds majority?

You can't put a federal law on the books to do away with birth citizenship. It don't work that way.

But, I will tell you again:

A child born in the United States, say in 1998 or thereabouts (whose parents are undocumented) and graduated high school, served in the military and has a family here is an American citizen. The likelihood that ANY Court could now declare those MILLIONS of people to not be citizens is an impossibility.... and those children who will come back home are protected by the precedent those who have been here for 20 + years and are grown citizens.

 

[Humorme]

he's deported everybody he don't like.

Here's where I stopped reading.

Your loss, not ours.

 

[cnelsen]

I had the impression that there are people seeking to do away with the automatic citizenship
for people born in the USA-----if the parents are not citizens. -----FROM NOW ON.....
its not true?

They can seek all they want, but this is civics 101. Under the 14th Amendment, if you were born here, you are a citizen. Again, the government cannot "uncitizen" those already here. And, even if that could be done (and trust me, it cannot) you still have that problem I described.

The Constitution's ban on ex post facto laws prohibits the kind of legislation you're describing. The only remedy you have is to amend the Constitution. That requires either two thirds of the U.S. House and Senate OR two thirds of the state legislatures. Most laws are being passed right now with 50 percent plus one vote. Where are you going to find these people to make up a two thirds majority?
You can't put a federal law on the books to do away with birth citizenship. It don't work that way.

But, I will tell you again:

A child born in the United States, say in 1998 or thereabouts (whose parents are undocumented) and graduated high school, served in the military and has a family here is an American citizen. The likelihood that ANY Court could now declare those MILLIONS of people to not be citizens is an impossibility.... and those children who will come back home are protected by the precedent those who have been here for 20 + years and are grown citizens.

Only eleven posts and already you've outed yourself as just another dishonest and ill-informed polemicist. The custom of birthright citizenship is just that--a custom. The relevant language in the 14th Amendment to which you refer states persons "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens..."

The debates in the Senate over passage of the amendment (the purpose of which was to guarantee citizenship to recently freed slaves) make it clear that the legislative intent was NOT to guarantee citizenship to the children born, for example, to pregnant Chinese women who time vacations to the US to coincide with their due dates, get picked up at LAX by a Chinese driver and whisked away to a birthing facility somewhere staffed by Chinese doctors, nurses, and so on, then after delivery, a Chinese lawyer presents the appropriate documents, the mother signs, then back to the airport and back to China with her very own US citizen in tow.

The express purpose of the insertion of the language "under the jurisdiction thereof" was to exclude that.

 

[cnelsen]

he's deported everybody he don't like.

Here's where I stopped reading.

Your loss, not ours.

I'm not worried, punk.

 

[BULLDOG]

I had the impression that there are people seeking to do away with the automatic citizenship
for people born in the USA-----if the parents are not citizens. -----FROM NOW ON.....
its not true?

They can seek all they want, but this is civics 101. Under the 14th Amendment, if you were born here, you are a citizen. Again, the government cannot "uncitizen" those already here. And, even if that could be done (and trust me, it cannot) you still have that problem I described.

The Constitution's ban on ex post facto laws prohibits the kind of legislation you're describing. The only remedy you have is to amend the Constitution. That requires either two thirds of the U.S. House and Senate OR two thirds of the state legislatures. Most laws are being passed right now with 50 percent plus one vote. Where are you going to find these people to make up a two thirds majority?
You can't put a federal law on the books to do away with birth citizenship. It don't work that way.

But, I will tell you again:

A child born in the United States, say in 1998 or thereabouts (whose parents are undocumented) and graduated high school, served in the military and has a family here is an American citizen. The likelihood that ANY Court could now declare those MILLIONS of people to not be citizens is an impossibility.... and those children who will come back home are protected by the precedent those who have been here for 20 + years and are grown citizens.

Only eleven posts and already you've outed yourself as just another dishonest and ill-informed polemicist. The custom of birthright citizenship is just that--a custom. The relevant language in the 14th Amendment to which you refer states persons "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens..."

The debates in the Senate over passage of the amendment (the purpose of which was to guarantee citizenship to recently freed slaves) make it clear that the legislative intent was NOT to guarantee citizenship to the children born, for example, to pregnant Chinese women who time vacations to the US to coincide with their due dates, get picked up at LAX by a Chinese driver and whisked away to a birthing facility somewhere staffed by Chinese doctors, nurses, and so on, then after delivery, a Chinese lawyer presents the appropriate documents, the mother signs, then back to the airport and back to China with her very own US citizen in tow.

The express purpose of the insertion of the language "under the jurisdiction thereof" was to exclude that.

what as the date that language was accepted as part of our constitution?

 

[Conservative65]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

According to the misapplication of the intended purpose of the 14th amendment granting citizenship to someone solely due to an illegal act by their POS parents, they will be let in. Since they have no skills, no education, and no way to be self sufficient, they'll expect the taxpayers to support their sorry asses. Don't do it. Nature has a way of dealing with those unwilling to do for themselves. If you don't eat, things will eventually occur.

 

[PredFan]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

It would certainly be a problem we would have to deal with IF all of them came back. But since the only answer is to continue to let it happen, then we should build the wall, deport the illegals, and then we only have to deal with a portion of what we would have, if we did nothing.

 

[BULLDOG]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

According to the misapplication of the intended purpose of the 14th amendment granting citizenship to someone solely due to an illegal act by their POS parents, they will be let in. Since they have no skills, no education, and no way to be self sufficient, they'll expect the taxpayers to support their sorry asses. Don't do it. Nature has a way of dealing with those unwilling to do for themselves. If you don't eat, things will eventually occur.

So you think we should just pretend the parts of the constitution that we don't like aren't there? I guess that sounds reasonable. It's the exact same way christians deal with parts of the bible they don't like.

 

[Conservative65]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

According to the misapplication of the intended purpose of the 14th amendment granting citizenship to someone solely due to an illegal act by their POS parents, they will be let in. Since they have no skills, no education, and no way to be self sufficient, they'll expect the taxpayers to support their sorry asses. Don't do it. Nature has a way of dealing with those unwilling to do for themselves. If you don't eat, things will eventually occur.

So you think we should just pretend the parts of the constitution that we don't like aren't there? I guess that sounds reasonable. It's the exact same way christians deal with parts of the bible they don't like.

I guess you're too stupid to understand "misapplication of the intended purpose" along with the explanation. No wonder you believe POS kids of POS criminal parents should be rewarded for a crime.

 

[BULLDOG]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

According to the misapplication of the intended purpose of the 14th amendment granting citizenship to someone solely due to an illegal act by their POS parents, they will be let in. Since they have no skills, no education, and no way to be self sufficient, they'll expect the taxpayers to support their sorry asses. Don't do it. Nature has a way of dealing with those unwilling to do for themselves. If you don't eat, things will eventually occur.

So you think we should just pretend the parts of the constitution that we don't like aren't there? I guess that sounds reasonable. It's the exact same way christians deal with parts of the bible they don't like.

I guess you're too stupid to understand "misapplication of the intended purpose" along with the explanation. No wonder you believe POS kids of POS criminal parents should be rewarded for a crime.

Right. You don't want to do that part, so just ignore it.

 

[Conservative65]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

According to the misapplication of the intended purpose of the 14th amendment granting citizenship to someone solely due to an illegal act by their POS parents, they will be let in. Since they have no skills, no education, and no way to be self sufficient, they'll expect the taxpayers to support their sorry asses. Don't do it. Nature has a way of dealing with those unwilling to do for themselves. If you don't eat, things will eventually occur.

So you think we should just pretend the parts of the constitution that we don't like aren't there? I guess that sounds reasonable. It's the exact same way christians deal with parts of the bible they don't like.

I guess you're too stupid to understand "misapplication of the intended purpose" along with the explanation. No wonder you believe POS kids of POS criminal parents should be rewarded for a crime.

Right. You don't want to do that part, so just ignore it.

Wrong. You don't want to apply the 14th based on it's intended purpose just one to suit your leftwing agenda. I have no problem applying it as it was INTENDED. It wasn't intended to reward the little shits popped out by some illegal that didn't have the decency to follow the laws about coming to the U.S.

Strange how you talk about following/ignoring things then want to reward someone due to a criminal act which, by the way, means they didn't follow the law.

 

[BULLDOG]

I've heard it said that if a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble. Now, I'd like for you to remember that as I give you something to think about. BTW, this isn't about Dreamers, Trump, Obama or even directly about "illegal" aliens, so work with ,me here, pay close attention, and see if you can come up with an answer.

Let's pretend that Trump could win. He's built his wall and he's deported everybody he don't like. Now, let's apply a little common sense:

Suppose that you have this typical couple and we'll call them Hosea and Maria. They entered the United States in 2011 without papers. While they were here, they had four children born in the United States. Those four children are American citizens with birth certificates and a Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social Security Number" as evidence of their citizenship.

Anyway, in 2018 Hosea and Maria will be forced out of the United States and they take their four children with them. Now, we fast forward to 2030 - and most of you will most likely still be alive. Hosea and Maria's children will be coming of age and may decide to come back to the United States. Now, bear in mind, there will be MILLIONS of people in the same predicament as Hosea and Maria's children.

These children cannot be kept out of the United States. They are citizens. So, they show up at the border without a family support system (we deported them), no education, no job skills, and no way to become self sufficient. They have no money and they are showing up by the MILLIONS! Now, what is your plan?

Let's take the usual "fixes" off the table. The generation of children BEFORE Maria and Hosea's kids were born here not forced out the United States and went on to serve in the military, work for the government, etc. Because their citizenship is not in doubt, neither will Maria and Hosea's children.... it's that 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection. Then you have that little thing known as the ban on ex post facto laws. See Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution. You cannot uncitizen those people. So, what, exactly, do you do with them? You cannot deport them. They're Americans.

According to the misapplication of the intended purpose of the 14th amendment granting citizenship to someone solely due to an illegal act by their POS parents, they will be let in. Since they have no skills, no education, and no way to be self sufficient, they'll expect the taxpayers to support their sorry asses. Don't do it. Nature has a way of dealing with those unwilling to do for themselves. If you don't eat, things will eventually occur.

So you think we should just pretend the parts of the constitution that we don't like aren't there? I guess that sounds reasonable. It's the exact same way christians deal with parts of the bible they don't like.

I guess you're too stupid to understand "misapplication of the intended purpose" along with the explanation. No wonder you believe POS kids of POS criminal parents should be rewarded for a crime.

Right. You don't want to do that part, so just ignore it.

Wrong. You don't want to apply the 14th based on it's intended purpose just one to suit your leftwing agenda. I have no problem applying it as it was INTENDED. It wasn't intended to reward the little shits popped out by some illegal that didn't have the decency to follow the laws about coming to the U.S.

Strange how you talk about following/ignoring things then want to reward someone due to a criminal act which, by the way, means they didn't follow the law.

Remind me which clause in the constitution appoint you, instead of the supreme court, as the interpreter of what the constitution means.

 

[Conservative65]

According to the misapplication of the intended purpose of the 14th amendment granting citizenship to someone solely due to an illegal act by their POS parents, they will be let in. Since they have no skills, no education, and no way to be self sufficient, they'll expect the taxpayers to support their sorry asses. Don't do it. Nature has a way of dealing with those unwilling to do for themselves. If you don't eat, things will eventually occur.

So you think we should just pretend the parts of the constitution that we don't like aren't there? I guess that sounds reasonable. It's the exact same way christians deal with parts of the bible they don't like.

I guess you're too stupid to understand "misapplication of the intended purpose" along with the explanation. No wonder you believe POS kids of POS criminal parents should be rewarded for a crime.

Right. You don't want to do that part, so just ignore it.

Wrong. You don't want to apply the 14th based on it's intended purpose just one to suit your leftwing agenda. I have no problem applying it as it was INTENDED. It wasn't intended to reward the little shits popped out by some illegal that didn't have the decency to follow the laws about coming to the U.S.

Strange how you talk about following/ignoring things then want to reward someone due to a criminal act which, by the way, means they didn't follow the law.

Remind me which clause in the constitution appoint you, instead of the supreme court, as the interpreter of what the constitution means.

I don't have to interpret it. I know the history behind it. Seems you don't.

For you to believe what you believe, you have to interpret it to mean something those that wrote it didn't intend for it to do.

 

[BULLDOG]

So you think we should just pretend the parts of the constitution that we don't like aren't there? I guess that sounds reasonable. It's the exact same way christians deal with parts of the bible they don't like.

I guess you're too stupid to understand "misapplication of the intended purpose" along with the explanation. No wonder you believe POS kids of POS criminal parents should be rewarded for a crime.

Right. You don't want to do that part, so just ignore it.

Wrong. You don't want to apply the 14th based on it's intended purpose just one to suit your leftwing agenda. I have no problem applying it as it was INTENDED. It wasn't intended to reward the little shits popped out by some illegal that didn't have the decency to follow the laws about coming to the U.S.

Strange how you talk about following/ignoring things then want to reward someone due to a criminal act which, by the way, means they didn't follow the law.

Remind me which clause in the constitution appoint you, instead of the supreme court, as the interpreter of what the constitution means.

I don't have to interpret it. I know the history behind it. Seems you don't.

For you to believe what you believe, you have to interpret it to mean something those that wrote it didn't intend for it to do.

Unfortunately for you, the constitution and the supreme court disagree with you. Who has the final say in the matter, them or some internet tough guy who claims he has the authority to make that decision for the country?

 

[Humorme]

I had the impression that there are people seeking to do away with the automatic citizenship
for people born in the USA-----if the parents are not citizens. -----FROM NOW ON.....
its not true?

They can seek all they want, but this is civics 101. Under the 14th Amendment, if you were born here, you are a citizen. Again, the government cannot "uncitizen" those already here. And, even if that could be done (and trust me, it cannot) you still have that problem I described.

The Constitution's ban on ex post facto laws prohibits the kind of legislation you're describing. The only remedy you have is to amend the Constitution. That requires either two thirds of the U.S. House and Senate OR two thirds of the state legislatures. Most laws are being passed right now with 50 percent plus one vote. Where are you going to find these people to make up a two thirds majority?
You can't put a federal law on the books to do away with birth citizenship. It don't work that way.

But, I will tell you again:

A child born in the United States, say in 1998 or thereabouts (whose parents are undocumented) and graduated high school, served in the military and has a family here is an American citizen. The likelihood that ANY Court could now declare those MILLIONS of people to not be citizens is an impossibility.... and those children who will come back home are protected by the precedent those who have been here for 20 + years and are grown citizens.

Only eleven posts and already you've outed yourself as just another dishonest and ill-informed polemicist. The custom of birthright citizenship is just that--a custom. The relevant language in the 14th Amendment to which you refer states persons "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens..."

The debates in the Senate over passage of the amendment (the purpose of which was to guarantee citizenship to recently freed slaves) make it clear that the legislative intent was NOT to guarantee citizenship to the children born, for example, to pregnant Chinese women who time vacations to the US to coincide with their due dates, get picked up at LAX by a Chinese driver and whisked away to a birthing facility somewhere staffed by Chinese doctors, nurses, and so on, then after delivery, a Chinese lawyer presents the appropriate documents, the mother signs, then back to the airport and back to China with her very own US citizen in tow.

The express purpose of the insertion of the language "under the jurisdiction thereof" was to exclude that.

And you are delusional. Had you READ my posts, what you say is wholly irrelevant. It doesn't matter what you think the original intent of an illegally ratified Amendment to the Constitution says. Here is the bottom line:

We have over two generations now of people who were born in the United States whose parents had no papers. Those children grew up, served in the military, graduated from college, and have children themselves walking in their footsteps. Like it or not, they aren't going anywhere. It would cost a TRILLION DOLLARS plus to figure out that cluster..****. That being the case, the scenario I described for you WILL happen because it would be impossible to uncitizen some people without going after generations of those people. And, let us not forget that what I describe is exactly what you'd have to do because of the equal protection clause.

I think you need some remedial civics training.

 

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I guess you're too stupid to understand "misapplication of the intended purpose" along with the explanation. No wonder you believe POS kids of POS criminal parents should be rewarded for a crime.

Right. You don't want to do that part, so just ignore it.

Wrong. You don't want to apply the 14th based on it's intended purpose just one to suit your leftwing agenda. I have no problem applying it as it was INTENDED. It wasn't intended to reward the little shits popped out by some illegal that didn't have the decency to follow the laws about coming to the U.S.

Strange how you talk about following/ignoring things then want to reward someone due to a criminal act which, by the way, means they didn't follow the law.

Remind me which clause in the constitution appoint you, instead of the supreme court, as the interpreter of what the constitution means.

I don't have to interpret it. I know the history behind it. Seems you don't.

For you to believe what you believe, you have to interpret it to mean something those that wrote it didn't intend for it to do.

Unfortunately for you, the constitution and the supreme court disagree with you. Who has the final say in the matter, them or some internet tough guy who claims he has the authority to make that decision for the country?

You don't, ****** boy.