What holds evenly bodies up

[PMZ]

Everything with mass, matter, attracts all other things, in proportion to the combined masses of the two objects, and inversely to the square of the distance between them.

Why? Nobody really knows.

But for us on earth, down is the direction that the combination of earth's gravity on us, and our gravity on the earth establishes. So, there is no down or up in space. Just the local down where each of us stand.

And, mind boggling as it is, we are each attracted to, and attract to ourselves, every mass in space.

We are imperceptibly lighter at noon when our mutual attraction with the sun is 'up', than at midnight when that attraction is down and adds to earth's.

 

[flacaltenn]

For a moment close your eyes and realize that we are on a journey, traveling with mind boggling speed covering mind boggling distance. Our travel around the Sun itself is huge but that is nothing compared to our travel around the galaxy. It takes the Sun (entire solar system including our blue planet) more than 225 million years close to 226 million years to complete one orbital revolution. Do you know what that means? It means that the last time the Sun (including the Earth) was in the same galactic spot was when dinosaurs were roaming on the Earth. Life as we know it on this planet has been wiped out many times by the time it took the Sun to complete just one orbital revolution. Not only that, in our galactic journey, our solar system swings across the disc of the galaxy, this motion itself takes about 62 million years to complete. Now hear is the interesting part: Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley found that marine fossil records show that biodiversity increases and decreases based on a 62-million-year cycle. At least two of the Earth's great mass extinctions-the Permian extinction 250 million years ago and the Ordovician extinction about 450 million years ago-correspond with peaks of this cycle. There is no explanation for this; even theory of evolution is blank on this. Further research shows that when our solar system swings back and forth across the disc of the galaxy, it ends up separated from the disc during the peak of the 62 million-year cycle. It exposes us to violent cosmic rays which can and did easily wipe out life from the Earth.

Ruh Roh..

Invest in tin foil... Or start digging your new 2 story buried bunker.. Make it big enough to raise more turtles.. Otherwise, if we run out of turtles ---- ya know what's gonna happen...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

No, no, no ... You're ALL wrong.

Its velcro.

Don't you remember in Men In Black that we were given velcro which had been invented on a distant planet and is in use all over several galaxies.

What is not generally known however is that every single little dot of light in our own insignificant little galaxy is also connected by very fine wires to a central location - the North Star.

That's why the North Star is often likened to the center of an astronomical umbrella.

 

[idb]

It's all about Gravity.

Gravity is The Law...so get used to it.
Neither shutting down the government nor convincing voters to reject it will cause it to be repealed.

 

[PMZ]

Two opposing forces. The energy from the Big Bang expanding the universe. Gravity trying to reunite all matter as before the big bang.

Which force will win the tug of war?

 

[Sunshine]

2012 was the year the earth completed a 26,000 year cycle of precessions. At the end of that cycle the earth crossed the equator of the Milky Way. Now we have entered another 26,000 year cycle.

Milankovitch theory describes the collective effects of changes in the Earth's movements upon its climate, named after Serbian geophysicist and astronomer Milutin Milanković, who worked on it during First World War internment. Milanković mathematically theorized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit determined climatic patterns on Earth through orbital forcing.

The Earth's axis completes one full cycle of precession approximately every 26,000 years. At the same time the elliptical orbit rotates more slowly. The combined effect of the two precessions leads to a 21,000-year period between the astronomical seasons and the orbit. In addition, the angle between Earth's rotational axis and the normal to the plane of its orbit (obliquity) oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees on a 41,000-year cycle. It is currently 23.44 degrees and decreasing.

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Vikrant]

Two opposing forces. The energy from the Big Bang expanding the universe. Gravity trying to reunite all matter as before the big bang.

Which force will win the tug of war?

This reminds me of an ancient Indian book called Purana. The book talks about an oscillating universe which contracts till it is so small that it explodes. Once it explodes, it starts to expand till it reaches the point where it can no longer expand then the contraction begins. This vicious cycle goes on forever. Each time the explosion occurs, the new laws are written which would govern the universe. It is an interesting read. Not bad considering it was written about 7 thousand years ago.

 

[PMZ]

Two opposing forces. The energy from the Big Bang expanding the universe. Gravity trying to reunite all matter as before the big bang.

Which force will win the tug of war?

This reminds me of an ancient Indian book called Purana. The book talks about an oscillating universe which contracts till it is so small that it explodes. Once it explodes, it starts to expand till it reaches the point where it can no longer expand then the contraction begins. This vicious cycle goes on forever. Each time the explosion occurs, the new laws are written which would govern the universe. It is an interesting read. Not bad considering it was written about 7 thousand years ago.

Sounds like a definite possibility for reality.

 

[Sunshine]

Hopi legends tell of multiple destructions of the earth:

Ancient Hopi Tell of Earths Multiple Destructions and of Atlantis., page 1

The earth and likely the universe as well is cyclic. If, indeed, there have been multiple destructions of the earth then science needs to focus on what the cause of those destructions was.

With mega structures that exist from antiquity, it is clear there was an advanced civilization in the past. So, the question is: Did those destructions of the earth come abut because of something man in those advanced civilizations did, or were they the result of a natural cyclic process inherent in the earth itself. Right now, we are holding to the believe that man is causing the earth to self destruct which may not, in fact, be true at all. Instead of trying to prevent the destruction, planning a way to survive may be the most wise thing to do. There is evidence that some cultures went literally under ground for a time and then emerged when conditions were again habitable. We really should be studying how they survived.

 

[PMZ]

Hopi legends tell of multiple destructions of the earth:

Ancient Hopi Tell of Earths Multiple Destructions and of Atlantis., page 1

The earth and likely the universe as well is cyclic. If, indeed, there have been multiple destructions of the earth then science needs to focus on what the cause of those destructions was.

With mega structures that exist from antiquity, it is clear there was an advanced civilization in the past. So, the question is: Did those destructions of the earth come abut because of something man in those advanced civilizations did, or were they the result of a natural cyclic process inherent in the earth itself. Right now, we are holding to the believe that man is causing the earth to self destruct which may not, in fact, be true at all. Instead of trying to prevent the destruction, planning a way to survive may be the most wise thing to do. There is evidence that some cultures went literally under ground for a time and then emerged when conditions were again habitable. We really should be studying how they survived.

Primitive peoples, like animals, were able to effect their local environment, but not control it.

By number and technology, humanity now can effect global climate and we also can control it.

If we choose to.

 

[Sunshine]

Hopi legends tell of multiple destructions of the earth:

Ancient Hopi Tell of Earths Multiple Destructions and of Atlantis., page 1

The earth and likely the universe as well is cyclic. If, indeed, there have been multiple destructions of the earth then science needs to focus on what the cause of those destructions was.

With mega structures that exist from antiquity, it is clear there was an advanced civilization in the past. So, the question is: Did those destructions of the earth come abut because of something man in those advanced civilizations did, or were they the result of a natural cyclic process inherent in the earth itself. Right now, we are holding to the believe that man is causing the earth to self destruct which may not, in fact, be true at all. Instead of trying to prevent the destruction, planning a way to survive may be the most wise thing to do. There is evidence that some cultures went literally under ground for a time and then emerged when conditions were again habitable. We really should be studying how they survived.

Primitive peoples, like animals, were able to effect their local environment, but not control it.

By number and technology, humanity now can effect global climate and we also can control it.

If we choose to.

You don't know what people 5,000 or 10,000 years ago were capable of with regard to the environment. We don't even know how they built their megalithic structures, let alone what effect the technology used in the building of said structures had on the environment.

In South America ancient people burned limestone to make cement for the building their cities. One legend is that they abandoned those cities because they were doing so much damage to the earth. Possibly they were.

I can tell you there isn't one person alive today who would and very few who could go back to hunter gatherer lifestyle and survive. Most people on the earth today survive because of technology. And there is no scientific evidence that the technology is hurting the environment simply because there are no records that date back to the last ice age. DUH. People are looking at technology. They are looking at changes in the earth. And they are connecting those two things when they, in fact, might not be connected at all.

 

[Moonglow]

What holds evenly bodies up


Crunches

 

[Moonglow]

Hopi legends tell of multiple destructions of the earth:

Ancient Hopi Tell of Earths Multiple Destructions and of Atlantis., page 1

The earth and likely the universe as well is cyclic. If, indeed, there have been multiple destructions of the earth then science needs to focus on what the cause of those destructions was.

With mega structures that exist from antiquity, it is clear there was an advanced civilization in the past. So, the question is: Did those destructions of the earth come abut because of something man in those advanced civilizations did, or were they the result of a natural cyclic process inherent in the earth itself. Right now, we are holding to the believe that man is causing the earth to self destruct which may not, in fact, be true at all. Instead of trying to prevent the destruction, planning a way to survive may be the most wise thing to do. There is evidence that some cultures went literally under ground for a time and then emerged when conditions were again habitable. We really should be studying how they survived.

Primitive peoples, like animals, were able to effect their local environment, but not control it.

By number and technology, humanity now can effect global climate and we also can control it.

If we choose to.

You don't know what people 5,000 or 10,000 years ago were capable of with regard to the environment. We don't even know how they built their megalithic structures, let alone what effect the technology used in the building of said structures had on the environment.

In South America ancient people burned limestone to make cement for the building their cities. One legend is that they abandoned those cities because they were doing so much damage to the earth. Possibly they were.

I can tell you there isn't one person alive today who would and very few who could go back to hunter gatherer lifestyle and survive. Most people on the earth today survive because of technology. And there is no scientific evidence that the technology is hurting the environment simply because there are no records that date back to the last ice age. DUH. People are looking at technology. They are looking at changes in the earth. And they are connecting those two things when they, in fact, might not be connected at all.

Humans have created their own environment. One that allows humans to grow to such large numbers.If and when the technologies fail, so will the majority of humans cease to exist.

 

[PMZ]

Hopi legends tell of multiple destructions of the earth:

Ancient Hopi Tell of Earths Multiple Destructions and of Atlantis., page 1

The earth and likely the universe as well is cyclic. If, indeed, there have been multiple destructions of the earth then science needs to focus on what the cause of those destructions was.

With mega structures that exist from antiquity, it is clear there was an advanced civilization in the past. So, the question is: Did those destructions of the earth come abut because of something man in those advanced civilizations did, or were they the result of a natural cyclic process inherent in the earth itself. Right now, we are holding to the believe that man is causing the earth to self destruct which may not, in fact, be true at all. Instead of trying to prevent the destruction, planning a way to survive may be the most wise thing to do. There is evidence that some cultures went literally under ground for a time and then emerged when conditions were again habitable. We really should be studying how they survived.

Primitive peoples, like animals, were able to effect their local environment, but not control it.

By number and technology, humanity now can effect global climate and we also can control it.

If we choose to.

You don't know what people 5,000 or 10,000 years ago were capable of with regard to the environment. We don't even know how they built their megalithic structures, let alone what effect the technology used in the building of said structures had on the environment.

In South America ancient people burned limestone to make cement for the building their cities. One legend is that they abandoned those cities because they were doing so much damage to the earth. Possibly they were.

I can tell you there isn't one person alive today who would and very few who could go back to hunter gatherer lifestyle and survive. Most people on the earth today survive because of technology. And there is no scientific evidence that the technology is hurting the environment simply because there are no records that date back to the last ice age. DUH. People are looking at technology. They are looking at changes in the earth. And they are connecting those two things when they, in fact, might not be connected at all.

I happen to believe that there is no scientific doubt at all of AGW. It's happening, the consequences are here and will only get much worse over time.

Running out of fossil fuels is also a given.

The decision that we have to make is between riding current energy technology up the cost curve determined by ever higher demand and ever lower supply as well as recovery from the consequences of ever more AGW or make the expensive change to sustainable energy sooner than we have to and saving some energy and AGW costs.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Pardon this silly question but I'm old and things sometime get lost or forgotten in my mind.

My question is: what's holding everything in space up? Why doesn't the universe just fall into a big heap?.

I saw a picture yesterday of the earth against a background of stars. The contrast was vivid. So I asked what's holding that beautiful globe in suspension? Is the answer gravity? Centrifugal force? Velocity or a combination of all three? Is it something else?

Thanks,

lots of grey duct tape