Were the Nazis Socialist?

[there4eyeM]

Hitler knew what was right for everyone else. This human disease is all too common. Males of the race are by far the major exemplars. Prevention seems impossible. Only inoculation works.

 

[fncceo]

Neither Hitler nor Stalin were dictators. They got in power using populism. They kept power by being dictators that used fear to control their populations.

Stalin didn't come to power by being a populist, he used his influence in the Party (a very elite group) after Lenin died to wrangle control.

However, after obtaining power, he loved to play the role of populist while slaughtering his own people.

 

[g5000]

That is the point when I saw two dangers approaching. Previously, I did not truly understand their names or their importance to the German people’s existence. Their names were Marxism and Jewry. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Marx was a competitor, as well as a Jew...Socialists HATE competition.

Nice try, retard. Fail.

 

[g5000]

We chose the red color of our posters after exacting and thorough reflection, in order to provoke the leftists by this, to bring them to indignation and to induce them to come to our meetings, if only to break them up, so that in this way we were at least enabled to speak to these people. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

 

[Oddball]

Hitler knew what was right for everyone else. This human disease is all too common. Males of the race are by far the major exemplars. Prevention seems impossible. Only inoculation works.

Hitler was a prime example of how F.A. Hayek was correct...The worst get on top because they seek the power as an end unto itself...The more power is concentrated in one place, the more sociopaths and psychopaths will be drawn to it.

Why the Worst Get on Top | F. A. Hayek

 

[g5000]

I detested the conglomerate of races that the realm's capital manifested ; all this racial mixture of Czechs, Poles, Hungarians, Ruthenians, Serbs, and Croats, etc., and among them all, like the eternal fission-fungus of mankind Jews and more Jews. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

 

[fncceo]

Hitler knew what was right for everyone else. This human disease is all too common. Males of the race are by far the major exemplars. Prevention seems impossible. Only inoculation works.

True, women never seek to foist their personal views on everyone else.

 

[g5000]

What part of "National SOCIALIST German Workers Party" has you confused??

And yes, Hitler PERSONALLY named the NSDAP.

What do they teach you idiots in school these days? Seriously

How ironic. You have never even read Mein Kampf. If you had, you would know exactly why Hitler chose the name for the party. It was precisely intended as a slap to the face of the leftists, and to those on the right he felt were too weak and made fun of by the leftists.

Hitler was pulling his party as far to the right as possible, and he did not tolerate other rightists who weren't willing to go all the way.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Essentially, Nazism is rather like a cult. Their belief in an unfounded theory of genetics, superiority and destiny led them to do whatever was necessary to achieve power. Political ideology, diplomacy and military power were all subservient to this. They said, did, committed whatever they thought would work. It was very similar to religion.
So, of course they were not committed 'socialists'.

Bingo!
I have said this for years. It is a futile argument without meaning to constantly argue where the Nazis fell on the political spectrum. It fell wherever Hitler wanted it to.
Nazism wasn't really even a party. What people were told and what actually happened was completely different. Many, if not most, of the party members were only members because they didn't want to die. So it is pointless.

 

[BlindBoo]

Duhahhhhh_yeah! It's right dare in dare damn name.

Now excuse me while I head off to explore the Republic in North Korea.

 

[g5000]

Here, Hitler talks about rejecting rightists who were mocked by the left. He felt they should not allow these other weaker rightists into his party:

This is sufficiently illustrated by the absurdity with which they are treated by the left. One lets them talk and laughs at them. But a man who in this world does not succeed in being hated by his adversaries, seems to me of little value as a friend. Therefore, the friendship of these people was not only of no value for our young movement, but even harmful.

 

[g5000]

Duhahhhhh_yeah! It's right dare in dare damn name.

Now excuse me while I head off to explore the Republic in North Korea.

It's all the ignorant tards have, and it exposes their massive willful ignorance.

 

[Theowl32]

Say NO to Voter ID! You don't need to see our papers!

Now go away. The adults are talking.

The left wing propagandists need their ulitmate boogeyman to be a capitalist. He fits all of their criteria. WHITE, a so called "CHRISTIAN", and they match the neo nazis here with him. Also, since he was the eternal enemy of stalin, marxist USSR, that also fits in with American Jews. Most of whom see themselves as left leaning liberals Long Before they see themselves as pious religious Jews.

Most of which do not follow the Mosaic law. Do not attend Temple and while a lot of them support their Land of Canaan by lip service, they support Israel's eternal enemies. When was the last time we saw any Jewish celebrity that has spoke out against homosexual marriage? What does their Lord say about that? They stay deafening silent about THAT ISSUE, dont they? Has Spielberg spoken out against that on behalf of Judaism?

Also, most American Jews are descendants of Jews that emigrated here at the turn of last century and most of them absolutely were sympathizers of marxism and the Bolshevik revolution. This is fact.


Here are some facts in regards to the neo nazi movment and how these leftists believe and push the false notion that fasicism describes American Christian capitalists.

 

[g5000]

Hitler chose the name National Socialist German Workers Party to keep the weaker sisters of the right away.

The first expression kept away from us the revelers in antiquity, the word -makers and outward talk-threshers of the so-called 'folkish idea/ but the second freed us from the entire host of knights of the 'spiritual' sword, and from all those miserable rags who hold up the 'spiritual weapon* as a shield for their actual cowardice.

 

[Oddball]

Duhahhhhh_yeah! It's right dare in dare damn name.

Now excuse me while I head off to explore the Republic in North Korea.

It was also in most, if not all, of their symbology.

For example, the big red field for their flag, like both the Soviets and Red Chinese.....Then there's this little gem...

 

[g5000]

Duhahhhhh_yeah! It's right dare in dare damn name.

Now excuse me while I head off to explore the Republic in North Korea.

It was also in most, if not all, of their symbology.

For example, the big red field for their flag, like both the Soviets and Red Chinese.....Then there's this little gem...

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BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Hitler chose red precisely to fuck with tards like you:

How often we shouted with laughter at these stupid bourgeois cowards, in the face of the intelligent guessing at our origin, our
intentions and our goal !

We chose the red color of our posters after exacting and thorough reflection, in order to provoke the leftists by this, to bring them to indignation and to induce them to come to our meetings, if only to break them up, so that in this way we were at least enabled to speak to these people.

 

[Claudette]

This has never been an interesting question to me because, it didn't have a great bearing on their Antisemitism.

The Nazis obviously weren't Soviet-style Socialists, they hated the Bolsheviks and were highly critical of them. Private enterprise flourished under the Nazis, more than in the previous German governments. In fact, many businesses nationalized during the Great German Depression, were privatized under the Nazis.

But, as you can imagine, the topic of Antisemitism is very much in my (our) minds this week and because of that, I decided to re-watch the 1940 Nazi propaganda film, 'The Eternal Jew' by Franz Hippler.

Something I had never really focused on before is the the emphasis they put on 'decent' labor and 'evil' capitalism. German workers are good, Jewish businessmen are bad (they neglect to point out there were many more non-Jewish businessmen than Jewish ones in Germany). The Nazis were, at least according to their own propaganda, firm believers in the 'Labor Theory of Value' straight our of Marx. That theory holds that the the amount of socially valuable labor that goes into a good is what determines its value, not its value in the market.

For example, a farm, a coal mine, a tractor factory ... all are valuable, because they produce goods that use lots of (cheap and semi-skilled) labor.

A bank, an investment firm, merchants and wholesalers, are bad ... they make a profit without providing labor for the masses.

In this film, they chastise the French banking family, The Rothschilds, because they sought to avoid the punitive taxes placed on all Jewish businesses in the 18th Century. They denounce banking and mercantile trade as 'evil' and 'Jewish'.

This, however, wasn't unique to the Nazis. Coming out of the Great Depression, most Western countries were experiencing a wave of populist Socialism because of the perceived failure of Market Capitalism, which they had just gone through. Jews in many countries took a lot of abuse, even in America, for their historical connection to finance and markets as opposed to large scale, labor intensive production.

This was counter-balanced in America and other countries because Jews were very influential in the ever-growing labor movement while other Jews had strong ties to banking and finance, and others in science and education. Obviously, this wasn't the case in Nazi Germany, where Jews, quite apart from not being leader in the labor movement, they weren't allowed to be members of labor organizations.

While the Nazis did privatize many businesses when they took power. It was a special type of privatization unique to the Nazis. One that made the Nazi Party a (not so silent) partner in each of the businesses they privatized. So, that while the company itself was run as a private company. The production goals, and economic decisions were made by the Nazi Party, not the company owners. Likewise, much of the profits went to the party as well.

The Nazis had other cultural similarities with the Soviets. They were both very adamant in their rejection of 'decadence' in music, art, and cinema. They believed Jazz, modern forms of art, and absurdly comedic films to be degrading to the morals of the people. Because of this, both the Nazis and the Soviets controlled their films, art, and music with strict censorship.

My conclusion to all this. I don't believe the Nazis were ideological Socialist the way the Soviets were. I don't believe they held strongly to any any dogmatic economic theory. Instead, I believe they were economic opportunists. They portrayed themselves as friends of the working man and used the words and symbols of the populist Socialism movement. But, at the same time, used government control of private investment to take advantage of Capitalism to enrich the party and its leaders.

No from what I've read they hated socialists.

Not sure how true that is.

 

[BlindBoo]

Neither Hitler nor Stalin were dictators. They got in power using populism. They kept power by being dictators that used fear to control their populations.

Hitler was appointed Chancellor. Then he quickly consolidated power through force, intimidation and violence.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

ONCE AGAIN.... why does it matter?
The important mark in history about Nazism is that it was fascism.
And who is being fascist today??

 

[Oddball]

Communist socialism, as represented by Stalin, Mao, etc: Central economic control, military dictatorship, brutal police state, secretive kangaroo court system, propaganda press, social stratification via political affiliation, crushing social conformity, and re-education/slave labor camps for dissenters and "undesirables".

Nationalist socialism/fascism, as represented by Hitler, Mussolini, etc.: Central economic control, military dictatorship, brutal police state, secretive kangaroo court system, propaganda press, social stratification via political affiliation, crushing social conformity, and re-education/slave labor camps for dissenters and "undesirables".

Yeah, they're TOTALLY different...Nazism and fascism are sooooo far right wing!