We're Not Safer? UN Disagrees...

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    The mantra has been that taking the war to the enemy has not made us safer, seems that's been wrong:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2139567720080521?feedType=nl&feedName=ustopnewsevening

     
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    UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - A study released on Wednesday reports a decline in fatal attacks of terrorism worldwide and says U.S. think-tank data showing sharp increases were distorted due to the inclusion of killings in Iraq.

    "Even if the Iraq 'terrorism' data are included, there has still been a substantial decline in the global terrorism toll," said the 2007 Human Security Brief, an annual report funded by the governments of Canada, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden and Britain.

    HUH??? contradictory sentences.. Jeepers scratches head...
     
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    Depends on what the meaning of "us" is.

    The study surveyed fatal attacks of terrorism worldwide, but excluded one area where attacks on the USA are concentrated - Iraq. The world at large may be experiencing fewer attacks than other surveys estimated, but that does not mean the USA is safer.

    Even excluding Iraq data, the chart from the report (below) shows that terror fatalities after the jump in 2001 never returned to the levels that existed before 2001. Even if other reports of terror fatalities were exaggerated, the data does not support Kathianne's suggestion that we are now safer. It says that we are in more danger than before, but that the amount of the increased danger was overstated.

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    Of course what truly remains missing is the number of civilian casualties caused by U.S. military operations in Iraq.

    Of course no one will ever know the number.

    It is American military policy to purposefully not keep count of the bodies.

    The reasons why are obvious.
     
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    Wow, a conservative quotes the UN as a reliable source.:rofl:
     
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    And you are insinuating they are not? Agreement, finally. :clap2:
     
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    The accusation from the left since 2003 has been that the US invasion of Iraq has increased terrorism WORLDWIDE, not just in Iraq.

    Then some genius can figure out just what is a terrorist attack in Iraq, and what is an "insurgent" attack since the same lefties making the above baseless accusation also renamed criminals as "insurgents."

    The only reason the US isn't "safer" as you put it is because you could smuggle an entire army across our Southern border while Bush and you lefties just turned a blind eye to it.

    The fact remains however, that there has not been another terrorist attack in the US since 9/11. No matter how you wish to twist and dance, THAT is the fact. Until something happens to prove otherwise, THAT fact = safer.

    Now if someone can just protect us from our government that is bad enough without the stupid-pill eating Democrats in charge of it, much less when they are.
     
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    By that reasoning, we were safer on 9/10/01 because we had gone over 8 years without an attack on our soil.

    Al-Qaeda has shown patience between attacks. Another factor has been Bush policies that appeased them. They wanted our army out of Saudi Arabia, and Bush gave that to them for nothing in return. They have used the war in Iraq for recruiting the same way the GOP uses a Ted Kennedy speech for fundraising.

    I agree that border security is a major problem, but not "[t]he only reason the US isn't 'safer'. . . ." We are wasting time and money with a Southern wall that has gaps everywhere that a Bush crony declines to sell his land. The masterminds of 9/11 have figured out ladders. If we actually made the southern border secure, al-Qaeda would come through Canada, by boat from the Caribbean or directly into the US on false papers.

    In the meantime, Bush has scrapped or cut back efforts to secure loose nukes from the USSR and has refused to increase port security despite repeated calls to do so. We need better intelligence gathering, which requires help from foreigners, but our policies have harmed our standing in the world and made other people less willing to provide the needed intelligence. People who once helped us now hate us, and that has a cost.
     
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    There was approximately 3 years that elapsed between attacks.

    Embassy Bombings

    U.S. Embassy, Nairobi, Kenya


    When: August 7, 1998; 10:30 a.m. local time.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/embassy_bombing/map.html

    Embassies are considered US soil, so you are factually mistaken.
     
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    gunny said, "The fact remains however, that there has not been another terrorist attack in the US since 9/11." I responded to that. I even quoted gunny, and still you missed it.

    If you cannot learn to read in context, reconsider your career choice.
     

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