Watching History Repeat Itself

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    actions and responses.

    Anti-semitism has been building in Europe for decades, the US now is quickly catching up-from the top, down. Same with 'blame the rich,' really I guess that's just code for the Jews and their 'lackeys.' Just like then, it's weird to see how many Jews join in on the bash Israel bandwagon, guess they think it's enlightened? (((shrug)))

    Loss of jobs, loss of land values, credit tightening, helplessness. Someone must be blamed.


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    Some truth in this.

    I think Israel is not beyond critic but it is quite obvious that when they deserve it - it is handed out on a very large scale. This last incident almost justifies war to some. When Israel is at the recieving end, attacks are often briefly commented.

    Media usually print names of killed Palistinians to an higher extent than they do killed Israelians. (IMO, no facts).

    I tend to do this myself a bit - and the reason is that I feel that Israel is... hard to explain... I expect more from them. They are on the same wavelength... (make any sense?)
    So, where I can think that the Israels shouldn't have beaten this or that guy - a guy beaten by Hamas should consider himself lucky.
    Perhaps this isn't totally fair, but it is very far from anti semitism. It comes from holding Israel in high regards to begin with.

    On this MB however I think it matters less. It is almost a non-issue. Here we can find anti semites, nazis, racists, radical islamists and all other -ists there are. Although I find the hateful, biased and dehumaning speech going on here a bit sad, it it also good. It confirms that there need to be a force focusing on humanity, human values and compassion. It would be worse if people died in the real world - and no one had any feelings at all. If this place was quitet.
     
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    I fail to see how defending one's country has zip to do with being held to a higher standard. Indeed it seems that the only acceptable response Israel can make is to use rifles against missiles sent by Iran through Gaza. Now Israel should just allow that to happen.

    Personally I'd like to see the response of our fellow NATO member if this comes off:

    Ideas for ?reverse flotillas? gain steam

     
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    history? the history that doesnt matter....after all i am told time and time again that the uss liberty...doesnt matter....it was too many years ago blah blah blah...

    neither side cares about peace....when americans realize this and stop paying both sides for a peace that will never be....perhaps then they will truly need peace.
     
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    The most interesting thing to me, coming from Sweden is that it speaks about peace at all cost. Something Sweden embraced a little too much during WWII. (There wasn't a question of military power, Sweden had none - but from not beeing able to stand up for what you think is right, to collaborating with what you know is wrong - that is a huge differance)
    Perhaps, the worst of all isn't always war.
     
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    War may not always be the worst response, but it's always better to respond forcefully through diplomatic means, before the problem devolves into war. I believe that was the point of the piece I originally posted.
     
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    Isn't it a question of scale? If every single action is cosidered to be "all-in" everything in the end only is about which poulation is going to die.

    History will have repeated itself no matter who gets genocided.

    The most important thing to me, in order to avoid this, is to focus our attention on the civilian population - not being satisified with any killing, mistreating or opressing of civilians. Much like we haven't ever done.
     
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    everyone seems more than willing to amp things up in the middle east....

    i have wondered if the new reverse floatilla will become a reality....i see just endless nightmares there...

    i.e. if the reserves floatilla is boarded and people are killed...what will the opinions be there?
     
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    genocide goes on daily....
     
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    I have to disagree. The problem grows through institutionalization of the prejudices, through media, then officials. In this country the election of those that look to Europe and 'religious' leaders for guidance on this particular issue stand squarely with the elite of the past. We're heading for the same disastrous results if changes aren't made.
     

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