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    Romancing the Stone-Cold Killer: Ayn Rand and William Hickman | Michael Prescott

    But before we assume that her admiration of Mr. Hickman was merely a quirk of her salad days, let's consider a few other quotes from Ayn Rand cited in Scott Ryan's book.

    In her early notes for The Fountainhead: "One puts oneself above all and crushes everything in one's way to get the best for oneself. Fine!" (Journals, p. 78.)

    Of The Fountainhead's hero, Howard Roark: He "has learned long ago, with his first consciousness, two things which dominate his entire attitude toward life: his own superiority and the utter worthlessness of the world." (Journals, p. 93.)

    In the original version of her first novel We the Living: "What are your masses [of humanity] but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?" (This declaration is made by the heroine Kira, Rand's stand-in; it is quoted in The Ideas of Ayn Rand by Ronald Merrill, pp. 38 - 39; the passage was altered when the book was reissued years after its original publication.)

    On the value of human life: Man "is man only so long as he functions in accordance with the nature of a rational being. When he chooses to function otherwise, he is no longer man. There is no proper name for the thing which he then becomes ... When a man chooses to act in a sub-human manner, it is no longer proper for him to survive nor to be happy." (Journals, pp. 253-254, 288.)

    As proof that her Nietzschean thinking persisted long after her admirers think she abandoned it, this journal entry from 1945, two years subsequent to the publication of The Fountainhead: "Perhaps we really are in the process of evolving from apes to Supermen -- and the rational faculty is the dominant characteristic of the better species, the Superman." (Journals, p. 285.)
     
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    This is the part I like the most, Old Rocks. It shows how rand lived in a dream world, a pretend world, completely devoid of reality and any fact that debunked her world view must simply be ignored. Reality be damned!
     
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    And now the modern 'Conservatives' that follow her philosophy are doing the same. Reality is subversive, logic is against the rules, and willfull ignorance is preferable to education.
     
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    Seems to me theyre following Huxley and Orwell a lot more than Rand.
     
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    ...a perfect description of liberalism...ignore logic, teach liberalism and equalization (redistribution)...not history! Yes, perfect liberalism...designed for sheep.
     
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    Absolute nonsense. History teaches that the philosophy of modern Conservatives always leads to oppression. The ONLY ones preaching redistribution are the right. The left just wants equal protection under the law. Every statement to the contrary is propaganda.
     
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    Compared to the Obama Play Book, Rand is a breath of fresh air.
     

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