War Crimes During the Civil War

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    A discussion I had earlier this morning prompted me to create this thread. During the War for Southern Independence Lincoln and his generals used the strategy of total war to fight the Confederacy. In other words, no southern civilian be they man, woman, or child or any southern slave was safe from northern aggression.

    Targeting Civilians
     
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    While what they did may be considered war crimes today, there was no Geneva Conventions until 1864. The treaties affecting treatment of civilians during wartime were not adopted until 1949. It wasn't against international law until then. The USA had been placed under martial law, so the law was basically what Lincoln said it was.
    So technically speaking, there were no war crimes during the civil war.
    The discussion of the loss of states rights, loss of individual rights and the federal power grab is more interesting. These issues are directly related to the topic you posted.
     
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    That's ridiculous. War crimes are war crimes, and the law was not "basically what Lincoln said it was." Lincoln had no jurisdiction over the Confederate States. Destroying southern towns and murdering, raping, and pillaging southern slaves and civilians are war crimes.
     
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    Technically means just that. There were no laws against attacking civilians, Lincoln was bound only by 'moral' law.
    From Lincoln's point of view, the Confederate states were still part of the Union, that's kinda why they fought a war.
    During times of martial law, the executive in chief makes the rules. The law was whatever Lincoln said it was once he declared martial law. Martial law was one of the political/legal means he used to make the war "legal".
    If Obama declared martial law today, whatever he decided was best would be law, and enforced by the military. Check the constitution.
     
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    Thank heaven for google... What possible credibility should some revisionist who calls Abraham Lincoln "dishonest Abe" have? Answser: None. Thanks anyway.

    BTW, it was the Civil War... not the war for southern independence; not the war against northern aggression....

    wanna go there? we could call it the "war against southern traitors".

    And another word to the wise: NOTHING is a crime unless a law makes it illegal. You can talk about ethics; you can talk about morality; you can even opine about the wonders of philosophy...

    but a war CRIME is only a CRIME if a law has been written against it.

    And if I sound a bit harsh? It's because I REALLY hate bogus scholarship and revisionist history.
     
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    Jillian, my grandmother was from Alabama and called it the war of the vanities.....
     
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    Well I happen to agree with Prof. DiLorenzo when he calls Lincoln "Dishonest Abe," but that's not important.

    It would be more appropriate to call it the "war against southern traitors" than to call it a Civil War, though I would disagree that the southern states were traitors. The Confederates were not fighting to take over the government, they were fighting for their own self-government. The same way the colonies fought for their independence against Great Britain.

    Killing innocent civilians remains a war crime regardless of how you want to spin it.
     
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    "Killing innocent civilians remains a war crime regardless of how you want to spin it."

    Your right, it's been a crime since 1949.....
     
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    Well, I hate to bring it up, but under that thinking any Jews killed by Nazis during WW2 must have simply been casualties of war and it wasn't really a tragedy. Right?
     
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    Aside from this obviously biased source, do you have reliable evidence that Lincoln knew about civilians being raped and murdered and that he condoned or permitted such behavior?
     
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