Vail of Ignorance exercise...

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    Here's a little exercise you can all do to decide what kind of government or society you would like to live in or which you think is the best type of government.

    Imagine that you are about to form a society from scratch...

    now, imagine that you have no idea where you will be born into that society...you could be born privalaged, middle class, or dirt poor and very unlucky.

    now, since you have no idea where you will end up in the society, wouldn't you at least want the bare minimum for everybody(like welfare, medicare etc...). This post is mainly for you people who are against welfare and the people who don't want to pay to help other people.

    I beleive this is the most fair way to come up with a system for society.

    What kind of govt. or society did you come up with?
     
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    I'd come up w/ a place where ppl kept what they earned...and helped those who needed it out of the goodness of their hearts.
     
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    me too, cept I don't think a whole lot of people would want to help the poor or disadvantaged out of the goodness of their hearts, sadly.:(
     
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    It is abuse of welfare that is the problem.

    Out of that scenerio - assuming you are dirt poor and require assistance - there should be a time limit on how long you accept government handouts.
    For one, as in the middle class person who thinks rationally, you must live within your means. Having a child every year is not living within your means and one should not be given greater handouts per every child born....(I have met one person who had another child for more money).
    I believe two years is a fair amount of time alloted for living off of society. After that, you are on your own....

    Too many Americans live their entire lives off of society with no intentions of learning a skill, obtaining a job or surviving on their own. Many of these welfare cases have quite a few children who are fatherless or have more than one father and for each child born - more money given.
     
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    Tough Luck...people tend to be 'disadvantaged' by their own making anyway.

    (shrug)

    I don't remember meeting a person who through NO fault of their own was 'poor'. There ARE jobs. There IS work.
     
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    What I would want is:

    1. A government that protected its citizens from foreign threats (i.e. national defense) and maintained domestic tranquility; a government that kept me safe, upheld my rights (e.g. those listed in the Constitution) but otherwise lets me do my own thing, as long as my rights not infringe upon others.

    2. An economic system that is based on free-market capitalism, where the government did not interfere except to ensure fair business practices (i.e. truth in advertising, anti-monopoly laws, etc.). Such a system allows class mobility, which is one of the great things about this country - a person can work and become extremely wealthy, or a person can not work and become a drag on society. This is much more important than gov't enforced welfare and gov't enforced health care for the poor. I would much rather people earn their own wealth, and then gave to the poor as they saw fit.
    I believe that gov't entitlements produce dependence on gov't by its recipients, and I am in favor of limiting those entitlements as much as possible - not because I don't think that people need it, but because I don't feel it should be the govt's place to determine how much money a person should have.
     
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    I am SOOO going to vote for you, jefferson.

    :)
     
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    I would want a system where most of my success and failures depended upon my resourcefulness and hardwork. I want to succeed or fail based on my own merit. This is the most fair system I've seen. The socialist systems you posit as fair are inevitably merely oppression of the people by an arrogant and abusive governing class, which subverts the government apparatus for it's own various purposes.
     
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    the one thing I hate about the new republican ideology of 'its your fault' is that it leaves zero possibility for anything to be OTHER than your fault. :rolleyes:
     
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    99% of the time, there IS zero possibility that continued poverty is the fault of anyone else.

    I've seen people go from immigrants, who speak NO english, to making 6-figure income within 5 years of their arrival.

    Plenty of people.
     

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