UK academics vote not to accept EUMC's 'working definition' of antisemitism

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    Needless to say all hell is breaking loose and UK academics are the most foul, antisemetic people in the world!!

    They want freedom of speech and not to accept a definition of antisemitism which limits academic thought and can be seen as an attempt to shield the State of Israel from criticism.

    Academics vote to reject EUMC’s working definition of anti-semitism | Jews for Justice for Palestinians


    A great deal of what is said is without question antisemetic and I have no problem agreeing with that.

    One thing which shoots off the pages at me is not equating Jews with Israel. I never do that but that is what I see done again and again and again by Pro Israeli's themselves.

    But to the nitty gritty. Prejudice and racist/religious hate is always to be opposed but a distinction must be made between what is indeed antisemetism and what is criticism of Israel

    Let's look at what UK academics have supposedly done which is so wrong. First, this is a 'working definition', no more. Academics can make their choice on what they think of any 'working definition'

    Any critic of six-year-old definition of antisemitism attacked as antisemitic | Jews for Justice for Palestinians
     
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    Nah, just phobic wildeyed jackasses.
    They have freedom of speech and want a freedom of diarrhetic bullshitting too. One can't be an enlightened professor without being a jackass, of course.
     
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    Freedom of thought is probably the most important freedom we have. Without that freedom we give up all the struggles of the last three hundred years.

    I taught anti racism in college in the 1980's and you do not need to be a professor to understand that there is a big difference between that and attempts at censorship of criticism of a countries policies. Looks like the UK is doing the right thing.

    The article also correctly states that this confusion between antisemitism and criticism of Israel being labelled as antisemitism has made it much harder to deal with genuine antisemitism which I hope you would agree is something which needs to be done.

    The UK has made the right decision.
     
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    So, what struggles did we struggle in the ME, armed with the freedom of thought, for the last 300 years?
    Impressive, like women's studies, of course.
    Like claims of islamofobia, of course.
    They may start an adopt-a-palistani campaign too.
     
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    As usual most of what you say is just gibberish.

    However regarding claims of Islamophobia. Yes, I can see that there is a correlation between people calling people Islamophobe when this is done due to criticism of a Muslims country and this new concept that criticism of Israel is antisemetic and would bring you back to article above where it correctly says criticism of Israel 'could' be antisemetic. The problem is that this has been grossly exaggerated and has resulted in an expectation that criticism of Israel is antisemetic. In the US I understand this has resulted in a sort of secret police on campus's and without question an interference in intellectual thought.

    I cannot see how anyone with any kind of objectivity cannot see that this has resulted in a sort of 'thought police'. The BBC for instance being terrified of the phone call every time it reports anything on Israel. This is a stealth interference in freedom of thought and speech created under the guise of 'new antisemetism' and is not acceptable.

    And of course you also see this with Islamophobia. On forums I see again and again people beginning by blaming Muslims and then giving an instance where a country is acting badly to justify their attack on Muslims. The primary attack more often than not is on Muslims, the issue is secondary. Where that happens it is usually Islamophobia. Where the issue looked at is what is happening in the country or the actions, stance, theory effect of such as the Taliban, Al Qaeda or other extremist groups it is not.

    Likewise if people cite their criticisms of Israel as being against the Jews or call what is happening as The Jews, rather than Israel or the Israel Government rather than dealing with the issue then it indicates antisemitism. Ironically the people most likely to do this are pro Israeli Americans, not critics of Israel. In my experience they also are the ones which are the most Islamophobic.

    Simply reporting on what is happening is doing exactly that and people have their right to their views. To try and stop universities from such discussion is an attempt at censorship. UK academics have done right to turn their back on such censorship and to point out that that is indeed what it is.
     
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    Why do I always have to deal with comprehension problems of my faithful readers?
    Yawn.
     
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    So basically as usual no answer and simply a meaningless reply as you always need the last word even if it is meaningless. Trust me, that is what is boring....
     
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    NEED to say unfortunately- a group that size and with Leftist politics (like yours) Does NOT preclude antisemitism. (like yours)
    Antisemitism is Not a Rare disease, but rather a traditional and institutional one on the EU/UK.

    Academic union in UK again votes to boycott Israel
    By JONNY PAUL/ Jpost
    05/31/2011
    Academic union in UK again votes ... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

    Nothing against Saudi Apartheidia ALL these many years?
    Iran?

    I mean lefties.. Gays and Adulterers stoned to Death, Practice of other religions forbidden, Apostates killed, etc, etc, etc.
    But hey! only Israel rates these Jackoff condemnations from the antisemitic teabags.
    Clearly THEY have an Israel/Jooo problem. (like the OP, Tinmore, and so many other transparent bigots)

    Sudan? China? Burma?

    The OP just posting this because she doesn't want HER same, and worse, bigoted views labeled for what they Are.
    In fact, posting on this raging anti-Israel (cough) board at all because it's Home, in fact dominated by Antisemites.
    (like the spammer who makes 90% of the string starts in this section)
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    Quit stalking me from forum to forum. In your incarnation as Mr Big you have been told you are on ignore. The effect to your ego was obviously severe..but enough is enough of you.

    I will answer once related to the topic. (personal insults belong to your fantasies


    No one says it does and it was anyway my Union so it is not such a surprise I will agree with it.
    No. That is your babble. UK's normal antisemitism is about the same as the US. Scotland's antisemitism is tiny. Indeed Scotland is the only European country never to put into place anti Jewish laws (apart from when it was forced to by English control). The US prior to WW2 was considerably more antisemetic than the UK. While we changed our immigration laws to allow extra Jews in, you changed yours to allow less Jews in. Even more the US Euginics progam was where Hitler got his ideas from so quit this bullshit.



    You don't get it. The problem is not with antisemitism. No one wants antisemitism any more than they want the sort of Islamophobia you bore people with, any more than they want any kind of prejudice....but people do want the ability to discuss situations without censure. We do not want the sort of situation arriving in the UK which the US has been suffering from some time.

    Your difficulty with the UK and Europe is that Governments have not been representing the populations view. This as I said before is mostly to do with knowledge. As people in Europe/UK become more aware of the situation in Israel and as Israel becomes more and more right wing and takes more and more of the Palestinians land against International law, depriving them of needed resources, the people of Europe lose sympathy with Israel. That is where your problem lies and no doubt that is the reason someone thought it would be cool to introduce a concept of new antisemitism as propaganda to reduce decent. We are free democracies. Will not work.

    I can find nothing on a new academic boycott in the British press. This was a vote on not acceptting the EU's working definition on antisemitism – on the aspects which are concerned with intellectual freedom.

    so to the critics of that



    The Farcical Attack on the UCU For Voting Against Use of the EUMC ‘Working Definition’ of Antisemitism « Antony Lerman

    So France has side stepped it, UK Further and Higher Education Lecturers have decided not to accept it and in September if Israel has not shown it is willing to have meaningful talks at a viable solution, the chances are that France and the UK will recognise the new Palestinian State.

    Now please respect the reality that you are on ignore.

    I am off to watch the French Open final.
     
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    Uh.. I was here THREE YEARS before you Bimbo! (March 2006)
    I of course reserve the right to 'check my traps' every so often.
    I won't follow you to Stormfront tho! but I do post on some Arab/Muslim/EU boards.

    You Lie about this regularly.
    No one believes you.
    You have -0- credibility.
    Like you COULD answer twice if you had too!
    LOL
    This is incomprehensibe Babble, and no answer at alll.

    But you Have YET AGAIN given TWO EXCUSES why you CANNOT reply.
    Lie 1: "I'm on Ignore"
    Lie 2: "You're going to watch the French Open".. AS IF that precludes future reply
    How Inane!
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