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I don't know that I agree with this, but it's something to consider:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006487

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All my life people have been talking politics at the dinner table, if they talked. I do not remember when it was not so. We all know the old saying, "Never discuss politics, sex or religion," but that of course is precisely what Americans do discuss, along with sports and business. I actually don't know what people talked about before these, but I wonder if it was something like, "What do you think is the most reliable path to personal satisfaction in the world we live in?" and "I saw a big bright yellow rose today and had the most wonderful thought, or at least it was wonderful for me, for I am no genius and do not normally go in for big time reflections on beauty," and, "Did you have a happy childhood or an unhappy one, and if you had the latter what is the best thing it gave you, that unhappy start?"

I'd better tell you what I picked up about politics the past few days.

Republicans--I have been among many--are now in the stage of the Hillary Conversation in which they are beginning to grouse about those who keep warning that Mrs. Clinton will be a formidable candidate for president in 2008. She won't be so tough, they say. America will never elect a woman like her, with such a sketchy history--financial scandals, political pardons, the whole mess that took place between 1980 and 2000.
I tell them they are wrong. First, it is good to be concerned about Mrs. Clinton, for she is coming down the pike. It is pointless to be afraid, but good to be concerned. Why? Because we live in a more or less 50-50 nation; because Mrs. Clinton is smarter than her husband and has become a better campaigner on the ground; because her warmth and humor seem less oily; because she has struck out a new rhetorically (though not legislatively) moderate course; because you don't play every card right the way she's been playing every card right the past five years unless you have real talent; because unlike her husband she has found it possible to grow more emotionally mature; because the presidency is the bright sharp focus of everything she does each day; because she is not going to get seriously dinged in the 2008 primaries but will likely face challengers who make her look even more moderate and stable; and because in 2008 we will have millions of 18- to 24-year-old voters who have no memory of her as the harridan of the East Wing and the nutty professor of HillaryCare.

The Hillary those young adults remember will be the senator--chuckling with a throaty chuckle, bantering amiably with Lindsey Graham, maternal and moderate and strong. Add to that this: Half the MSM will be for her, and the other half will be afraid of the half that is for her. (You think journalists are afraid of the right? Journalists are afraid of each other.) And on top of all that, It's time for a woman. Almost every young woman in America, every tough old suburban momma, every unmarried urban high-heel-wearing, briefcase-toting corporate lawyer will be saying it. They'll be working for, rooting for, giving to the woman.

I am of course exaggerating, but not by much.

Can a Republican beat her? Sure. She'll have to make mistakes, and she will. And he (it will be a he; it's not Condi, because the presidency is not an entry-level political office) will have to be someone who stands for big, serious and solidly conservative things, and really means it, which will mark a nice contrast with Mrs. Clinton, who believes only in herself. He will also have to be able to do the delicate dance of running against a woman without seeming scared, patronizing, nervous or macho. It isn't going to be easy. But it's doable...
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"maternal, moderate and strong"
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rtwngAvngr said:

"maternal, moderate and strong"
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Amen. I would have chosen "corrupt, power mad and flat-out evil"
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Merlin1047 said:

Amen. I would have chosen "corrupt, power mad and flat-out evil"
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Would have to concur!
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who has been busy for the last five years attempting to erase her past as a near commie... Repubs will need not to treat her with kit gloves but come out blasting with her past history as an arrogant liberal.. Bring up the Rose law firms billing records fraud, Hillary-care, the fact that she "tolerated" Bill's adultery because it was politically expediant of her... She's nothing but a political snob and a snot as well. I'm all for having a woman as president but help us God if it would be her.. I'd have to start looking for signs of the apocalypse... By the way has anyone ever looked hard at the back of her scalp, for 666, maybe the Anti-Christ is a female? heheheheheheeeeee..
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I sincerely hope that Guiliani takes her out next year by taking her Senate seat.
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Hillary (is it one "L" or two?) is a scary person. She is not the type of woman to allow herself to lose. She is smart. She is ruthless. I'm praying already.
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mom4 said:

Hillary (is it one "L" or two?) is a scary person. She is not the type of woman to allow herself to lose. She is smart. She is ruthless. I'm praying already.
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Actually, mom4, I think it's three L's. There are the two in her name, and, of course, the 'ell that spawned 'er!
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Actually, mom4, I think it's three L's. There are the two in her name, and, of course, the 'ell that spawned 'er!
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LOL MM!
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Quote from article: "It's time for a woman."

It will NEVER be time for this particular woman. The bloggers will have a field day scratching and exposing the veneer.

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