Two for one Sale

Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by David2004, Aug 16, 2004.

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    Not too many years ago the American government and people were the envy of many people in the world. From all over the world people wanted to come to America. They were proud for what America stood for in sprit and opportunity for all. People from all over the world came to America to discover new ways and products that the people of the world wanted and making great fortunes from nothing. America was a major exporter of produces and ideas bringing us into the modern world as we know it today.

    Days and weeks after 9-11 most people and nations sympathy and sorrow poured out for the people of the United States. The whole world was behind us with a very few exception. Even going into Afghanistan most for the people in the world were behind us with many people having some reservations. Going after Bin Laden who was at the root of 9-11 people understood. Then like a ?Two for one sale? we start to go after Saddam?s deck of cards in Iraq after we have been bombing Iraq on a regular basis since the 1991 war. Economic trade sanctions that only harmed and effected the every day people of Iraq while Saddam and his deck of cards lived like Kings with bombs and missiles dropping out of the sky.

    No one of sound mind questioned whether the American military forces could win the military war against Saddam. The question that many people had was how was America going to bring peace into Iraq after winning the military war. The civilian leaders of the United States government were telling the American people and the people of the world. That we were going to be perceived a hero by the Iraqi people with the people cheering and throwing flowers. That the Iraqi oil was going to pay for the war costing the American taxpayer every little. Today almost a 1000 Americans solders killed with many 1000?s injured and maimed for life. So many false statements and lies told to the American people and the people of the world about peace and Iraq. Today by many high-level American government officials and mass media talking heads speak as if it is a coin of a toss whether Syria or Iran is seen as a bigger threat to America?s national security. Probably it will turn into another ?Two for one sale in the name of God War on terror?.
     
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    WTF over?

    Is this opinion or fact. If fact, please provide unbiased links providing evidence we have bee lied to - and not MM or moveon.org hyperbole please.
     
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    You know, you guys keep saying this. I dont think it means what you guys think it means.
     
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    David, I'm really failing to see a salient point in your post. It tackles some pretty big issues, but speculating that we're going to invade Iran and Syria is really just...speculation. :confused:

    And about the U.S. soldiers being greeted with flowers-- I'd argue that bringing democracy to Iraq is a good thing even if the populous isn't immediately appreciative. Just like the 'rents always say, 'You'll thank me later.'

    The salient point about liberation, however, is that freeing Iraqis isn't what got us into Iraq in the first place. Purported weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi governmental ties to Al Qaeda which were both proven to be data-mined conclusions drawn from contradictory CIA intelligence are good reasons to be PO'd at the administration, which you seem to be kind of saying...

    The hubris and unilateralism of the U.S. is also somewhat deplorable, in my mind, and the wealth of international good will that was squandered is almost as impressive as the surplus that was squandered.

    You also bring up the strategy to bring peace to Iraq and the non-existant exit strategy.

    All these things are important, but you don't ACTUALLY seem to be saying anything, just kind of summarizing and reguritating liberal rhetoric. Don't get me wrong, I'm probably on the same page as you, but uh, where's your point??!
     
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    looks like another cut and paste troll job. Notice the ? where " and ' should be. Lowest of the low trolls. No idea what they cut. No care for where they paste it.
     
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    What really confounds me is that posting of paragraphs of this crud, then no response, but more paragraphs of crud. Do these types of posters believe their screeds are so enlightening that someone will read them and 'see the light?' I mean, what is their purpose? :huh:
     
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    The answers are much more complicated to outline than the problem we face in Iraq. This is because there are many more variables and unknowns to the answers than to the problem. First we need a leader of the United States that will recognize that we have made some great mistakes in our calculation and our military policies in Iraq. There will have to be an apology to the world body of people and nations, made by a high-ranking American government officials for the mistakes made in Iraq. Then an emergency forum must be assembled with the Arab Legion of Nations, European Union, United Nations, United States and an Iraqi delegation. A team must be formed and come up with a plan of agreement. Each party involved will come to the table with what they can do as well as requesting help from others to complete the plan. Only by building a strong and real multilateral collations will we be able to tackle the problems in Iraq giving peace a chance.

    You can lead a horse to water but you can?t make them drink. This old proverb has a lot of relevance in the problems we face in Iraq today. Trying to do good for others that are different than you is harder than helping people like your own. This is one of the main reasons we must look to the other side for some of the answers. A major change in the type of ground forces that are in Iraq today would be at the top of the agenda. Fewer United States military soldiers being replaced with more international humanitarian workers. Today the Iraqi people suffer from 70% unemployment until this is corrected there will be no security or peace in Iraq. There are many international NGO?s that could be assistance in the re-building of Iraq.
     
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    That will never happen.
     
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    As there is no need for it to happen.
     
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    For you being a product of the US education system.......... :stupid:
     
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