Trump Tower Meet....and Steele's dossier...

[nat4900]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY

You're allowed to get Russian dirt, as long as it passes thru the hands of a Brit first...…..DERP!

 

[TNHarley]

Ahhh collusion with foreign entities is ok if nat thinks they are friends.
Or, if we want to be honest, if it involves a D or R next to their name.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Lol, russia, russia, russia, russia.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Ahhh collusion with foreign entities is ok if nat thinks they are friends.
Or, if we want to be honest, if it involves a D or R next to their name.

Yep, if nat approves....collusion's all good. Especially, when there was no collusion.

 

[TNHarley]

Ahhh collusion with foreign entities is ok if nat thinks they are friends.
Or, if we want to be honest, if it involves a D or R next to their name.

Yep, if nat approves....collusion's all good. Especially, when there was no collusion.

I know this gets said in every nat thread but..
I doubt this will go the way he had hoped

 

[CrusaderFrank]

....and then Hillary becomes President

 

[Dragonlady]

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY

You're allowed to get Russian dirt, as long as it passes thru the hands of a Brit first...…..DERP!

The OP, while correct in his assertions has missed the biggest difference of all: Hillary Clinton never met Christopher Steele or any of his sources and had no idea who provided the information. Hillary didn’t even meet with or hire Fusion GPS.

Neither Steele nor his sources knew who would ultimately receive the information because neither Steele nor his sources ever had any contact with the buyer. The Clinton campaign asked their lawyers to get the opposition research. Their lawyers hired Fusion GPS and Fusion gave the job to Steele.

Junior and other members of the Trump campaign met with people they were told were Russian government officials for the purpose of getting “dirt” on Hillary Clinton and assistance in their election campaign from the Russian government. Soliciting help from a foreign government in a US election campaign, is illegal.

You have to be wilfully blind to equate the Clinton Campaign's purchase of the Steele Dossier o Junior meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.

 

[bendog]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

The only problem with the Trump Tower was that the boychinkins did discuss removing effects of the Maginsky Act for dirt on Hillary with the knowledge that the Russian lawyer was actually a Russian spy. That would be a felony, if it can be proven in court.

It would not be illegal to pay a Russian lawyer for opposition research.

But my guess is that the Trump Tower meeting will be sufficiently ambiguous enough to not show anything, beyond Trump knew of it beforehand and crafted statements that ended up being perjury for various underlings .... including the boychinkins. Indictments? Who knows. Not unless there's a bigger game afoot, imo.

The larger problem, imo, for Trump and Trumpbots is whether there's any evidence showing Trump knew of Russian hacking and used information from the hacking in his campaign. The hacking did not come from private individuals. THAT is why Rosenstein teed up the 14 Russians BEFORE Trump blew Putin at Sucksinsky.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY

You're allowed to get Russian dirt, as long as it passes thru the hands of a Brit first...…..DERP!

The OP, while correct in his assertions has missed the biggest difference of all: Hillary Clinton never met Christopher Steele or any of his sources and had no idea who provided the information. Hillary didn’t even meet with or hire Fusion GPS.

Neither Steele nor his sources knew who would ultimately receive the information because neither Steele nor his sources ever had any contact with the buyer. The Clinton campaign asked their lawyers to get the opposition research. Their lawyers hired Fusion GPS and Fusion gave the job to Steele.

Junior and other members of the Trump campaign met with people they were told were Russian government officials for the purpose of getting “dirt” on Hillary Clinton and assistance in their election campaign from the Russian government. Soliciting help from a foreign government in a US election campaign, is illegal.

You have to be wilfully blind to equate the Clinton Campaign's purchase of the Steele Dossier o Junior meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.

Hillary didn’t even meet with or hire Fusion GPS.

If info from foreigners is an "illegal campaign contribution", the Dems got illegal info and Trump Jr didn't.

Neither Steele nor his sources knew who would ultimately receive the information because neither Steele nor his sources ever had any contact with the buyer.

At a certain point, the Obama DOJ was paying him. Steele wasn't aware of that either?

 

[DJT for Life]

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY

You're allowed to get Russian dirt, as long as it passes thru the hands of a Brit first...…..DERP!

The OP, while correct in his assertions has missed the biggest difference of all: Hillary Clinton never met Christopher Steele or any of his sources and had no idea who provided the information. Hillary didn’t even meet with or hire Fusion GPS.

Neither Steele nor his sources knew who would ultimately receive the information because neither Steele nor his sources ever had any contact with the buyer. The Clinton campaign asked their lawyers to get the opposition research. Their lawyers hired Fusion GPS and Fusion gave the job to Steele.

Junior and other members of the Trump campaign met with people they were told were Russian government officials for the purpose of getting “dirt” on Hillary Clinton and assistance in their election campaign from the Russian government. Soliciting help from a foreign government in a US election campaign, is illegal.

You have to be wilfully blind to equate the Clinton Campaign's purchase of the Steele Dossier o Junior meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.

It is exactly the same thing.

Nobody would take info without knowing where it came from. Nobody.
Not even that fatass bitch.

A perfect example of collusion would be Mark Warner, contacting a Russian
money big-shot with direct ties to Putin in his attempts to contact Christopher
Steele to obtain dirt to assist in taking down the current POTUS.

That's text book collusion.

 

[nat4900]

All the above Trump ass lickers miss the entire point of the O/P since.....well, since they ARE Trump ass lickers.

What about Trump flip-flopping in his LAME cover-up???

Bottom line: Want to go after Clinton for paying Steele for the dossier.???.......
have at it.......

But, THEN, don;t bitch and moan that Trump should be exempt from the same scrutiny.....LOL

 

[nat4900]

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY

You're allowed to get Russian dirt, as long as it passes thru the hands of a Brit first...…..DERP!

If morons like you want to compare our alliance to England versus Russia....Go for it; it shows just how fucked up Trump Cult Membership has made your judgment a bit orangy.

 

[Dragonlady]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

The only problem with the Trump Tower was that the boychinkins did discuss removing effects of the Maginsky Act for dirt on Hillary with the knowledge that the Russian lawyer was actually a Russian spy. That would be a felony, if it can be proven in court.

It would not be illegal to pay a Russian lawyer for opposition research.

But my guess is that the Trump Tower meeting will be sufficiently ambiguous enough to not show anything, beyond Trump knew of it beforehand and crafted statements that ended up being perjury for various underlings .... including the boychinkins. Indictments? Who knows. Not unless there's a bigger game afoot, imo.

The larger problem, imo, for Trump and Trumpbots is whether there's any evidence showing Trump knew of Russian hacking and used information from the hacking in his campaign. The hacking did not come from private individuals. THAT is why Rosenstein teed up the 14 Russians BEFORE Trump blew Putin at Sucksinsky.

You’re assessment of the legal ramifications of the Trump Tower meeting are incorrect. Obtaining dirt from a foreign government, to aid your political campaign is illegal.

The illegal part is “from a foreign government”. This is “conspiring with a foreign government” and it is very illegal.

Junior KNEW he was meeting with a Russian government lawyer. He was thrilled that the Russians wanted to help elect his father. This is the very definition of “collusion” which puts the lie to Trump’s “no collusion” mantra.

In addition to throwing his son under the bus on conspiracy charges, Dumb Donald has now said his son lied to Congress about the purpose of the meeting, and lying to Congress is a felony.

Last but not least, Trump has admitted to dictating the statement to the New York Times about that meeting, the statement which was later proven to be a lie, top to bottom. That ties into Dumb Donald’s ongoing pattern of obstruction of the Russia Investigation since that meeting was already investigation.

President Trump keeps changing his story on all things having to do with the Trump Campaign and its contacts with Russians.

If there is “no collusion”, why are you lying about this? How is the Mueller Investigation a “witch hunt” or a “hoax” when you have now admitted that your campaign did collude with Russian government officials around sanctions, and the President lied to the American public and the press.

Is the press, which has consistently reported the facts of the Russian Investigation, really the “enemy of the people”? Or is the man who has consistently lied, changed the narrative, covered up one set of lies with another set of lies, and denigrated those who both investigated and found the truth and those who reported it, the real enemy of the people here.

As I watch Vladimir Putin’s view of NATO and foreign policy being Trump’s policy, and the destruction of the world trade deals the US government established and which made the US the wealthiest nation on earth, being dismantled to the benefit of China and Russia, I have no doubt as to which it is.

 

[nat4900]

In addition to throwing his son under the bus on conspiracy charges, Dumb Donald has now said his son lied to Congress about the purpose of the meeting, and lying to Congress is a felony.

Right on target!!!..............Yes, the heartless, orange clown will even sacrifice his own son to appease his ego (and save his fat ass.)

 

[nat4900]

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY

You're allowed to get Russian dirt, as long as it passes thru the hands of a Brit first...…..DERP!

The OP, while correct in his assertions has missed the biggest difference of all: Hillary Clinton never met Christopher Steele or any of his sources and had no idea who provided the information. Hillary didn’t even meet with or hire Fusion GPS.

Neither Steele nor his sources knew who would ultimately receive the information because neither Steele nor his sources ever had any contact with the buyer. The Clinton campaign asked their lawyers to get the opposition research. Their lawyers hired Fusion GPS and Fusion gave the job to Steele.

Junior and other members of the Trump campaign met with people they were told were Russian government officials for the purpose of getting “dirt” on Hillary Clinton and assistance in their election campaign from the Russian government. Soliciting help from a foreign government in a US election campaign, is illegal.

You have to be wilfully blind to equate the Clinton Campaign's purchase of the Steele Dossier o Junior meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.

It is exactly the same thing.

Nobody would take info without knowing where it came from. Nobody.
Not even that fatass bitch.

A perfect example of collusion would be Mark Warner, contacting a Russian
money big-shot with direct ties to Putin in his attempts to contact Christopher
Steele to obtain dirt to assist in taking down the current POTUS.

That's text book collusion.

ALWAYS remember this, Trump ass kisser........lol

Eric Trump once said, ‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’

Trump Jr.'s love affair with Moscow
Trump Jr.’s love affair with Moscow
Jul 12, 2017 - At the conference, he showed a deep familiarity with the Moscow real estate market and the Russian economy.

“We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” he said of Trump Organization properties. “There's indeed a lot of money coming for new-builds and resale reflecting a trend in the Russian ...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY

You're allowed to get Russian dirt, as long as it passes thru the hands of a Brit first...…..DERP!

If morons like you want to compare our alliance to England versus Russia....Go for it; it shows just how fucked up Trump Cult Membership has made your judgment a bit orangy.

you want to compare our alliance to England versus Russia..

Nobody cares about England, moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

The only problem with the Trump Tower was that the boychinkins did discuss removing effects of the Maginsky Act for dirt on Hillary with the knowledge that the Russian lawyer was actually a Russian spy. That would be a felony, if it can be proven in court.

It would not be illegal to pay a Russian lawyer for opposition research.

But my guess is that the Trump Tower meeting will be sufficiently ambiguous enough to not show anything, beyond Trump knew of it beforehand and crafted statements that ended up being perjury for various underlings .... including the boychinkins. Indictments? Who knows. Not unless there's a bigger game afoot, imo.

The larger problem, imo, for Trump and Trumpbots is whether there's any evidence showing Trump knew of Russian hacking and used information from the hacking in his campaign. The hacking did not come from private individuals. THAT is why Rosenstein teed up the 14 Russians BEFORE Trump blew Putin at Sucksinsky.

You’re assessment of the legal ramifications of the Trump Tower meeting are incorrect. Obtaining dirt from a foreign government, to aid your political campaign is illegal.

The illegal part is “from a foreign government”. This is “conspiring with a foreign government” and it is very illegal.

Junior KNEW he was meeting with a Russian government lawyer. He was thrilled that the Russians wanted to help elect his father. This is the very definition of “collusion” which puts the lie to Trump’s “no collusion” mantra.

In addition to throwing his son under the bus on conspiracy charges, Dumb Donald has now said his son lied to Congress about the purpose of the meeting, and lying to Congress is a felony.

Last but not least, Trump has admitted to dictating the statement to the New York Times about that meeting, the statement which was later proven to be a lie, top to bottom. That ties into Dumb Donald’s ongoing pattern of obstruction of the Russia Investigation since that meeting was already investigation.

President Trump keeps changing his story on all things having to do with the Trump Campaign and its contacts with Russians.

If there is “no collusion”, why are you lying about this? How is the Mueller Investigation a “witch hunt” or a “hoax” when you have now admitted that your campaign did collude with Russian government officials around sanctions, and the President lied to the American public and the press.

Is the press, which has consistently reported the facts of the Russian Investigation, really the “enemy of the people”? Or is the man who has consistently lied, changed the narrative, covered up one set of lies with another set of lies, and denigrated those who both investigated and found the truth and those who reported it, the real enemy of the people here.

As I watch Vladimir Putin’s view of NATO and foreign policy being Trump’s policy, and the destruction of the world trade deals the US government established and which made the US the wealthiest nation on earth, being dismantled to the benefit of China and Russia, I have no doubt as to which it is.

Obtaining dirt from a foreign government, to aid your political campaign is illegal.

But obtaining dirt from a foreign individual is ok? LOL!
Excellent!

You have a copy of the legislation that makes the distinction? Post it.

The illegal part is “from a foreign government”. This is “conspiring with a foreign government” and it is very illegal.

Post the law.

 

[OKTexas]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

Didn't a Britt set up the Trump tower meeting? So you're just a hypocrite right?

.

 

[bendog]

Inevitably, Trump "defenders" will attempt to address the criticism of the [possibly criminal] meeting by Junior, Kushner and Manafort and Russian operatives, with a typical, "what about Clinton paying Steele for a dossier on Trump"???

Objectively, there is some lop-sided "logic" to this divertive defense........BUT, two factors must also be considered:

First, Steele is from a nation that is our closest ALLY, versus the attempt to gather opposition research by a country that is a long time ADVERSARY to the U.S.

Second, as we have long learned from the Watergate scandal, the initial wrong-doing PALES in comparison to the attempt to cover up the mistake......Trump has flip-flopped several times in his attempt to covering up the fiasco....directly implicating himself and his family.

Like most ANTI Trump threads on this forum, I expect this one to soon disappear....so, give it a shot in addressing it before the inevitable.

The only problem with the Trump Tower was that the boychinkins did discuss removing effects of the Maginsky Act for dirt on Hillary with the knowledge that the Russian lawyer was actually a Russian spy. That would be a felony, if it can be proven in court.

It would not be illegal to pay a Russian lawyer for opposition research.

But my guess is that the Trump Tower meeting will be sufficiently ambiguous enough to not show anything, beyond Trump knew of it beforehand and crafted statements that ended up being perjury for various underlings .... including the boychinkins. Indictments? Who knows. Not unless there's a bigger game afoot, imo.

The larger problem, imo, for Trump and Trumpbots is whether there's any evidence showing Trump knew of Russian hacking and used information from the hacking in his campaign. The hacking did not come from private individuals. THAT is why Rosenstein teed up the 14 Russians BEFORE Trump blew Putin at Sucksinsky.

You’re assessment of the legal ramifications of the Trump Tower meeting are incorrect. Obtaining dirt from a foreign government, to aid your political campaign is illegal.

The illegal part is “from a foreign government”. This is “conspiring with a foreign government” and it is very illegal.

Junior KNEW he was meeting with a Russian government lawyer. He was thrilled that the Russians wanted to help elect his father. This is the very definition of “collusion” which puts the lie to Trump’s “no collusion” mantra.

In addition to throwing his son under the bus on conspiracy charges, Dumb Donald has now said his son lied to Congress about the purpose of the meeting, and lying to Congress is a felony.

Last but not least, Trump has admitted to dictating the statement to the New York Times about that meeting, the statement which was later proven to be a lie, top to bottom. That ties into Dumb Donald’s ongoing pattern of obstruction of the Russia Investigation since that meeting was already investigation.

President Trump keeps changing his story on all things having to do with the Trump Campaign and its contacts with Russians.

If there is “no collusion”, why are you lying about this? How is the Mueller Investigation a “witch hunt” or a “hoax” when you have now admitted that your campaign did collude with Russian government officials around sanctions, and the President lied to the American public and the press.

Is the press, which has consistently reported the facts of the Russian Investigation, really the “enemy of the people”? Or is the man who has consistently lied, changed the narrative, covered up one set of lies with another set of lies, and denigrated those who both investigated and found the truth and those who reported it, the real enemy of the people here.

As I watch Vladimir Putin’s view of NATO and foreign policy being Trump’s policy, and the destruction of the world trade deals the US government established and which made the US the wealthiest nation on earth, being dismantled to the benefit of China and Russia, I have no doubt as to which it is.

With the Trump Towers, the US would have to prove the boychinkins knew Natashia (I mean Natalya (- was acting as an actual representative of the Russian govt, with the knowledge of the Russian govt, and was authorized to provide something in exchange for Trump doing something regarding the Maginsky Act.

Given that Russia acts through cutouts, and that Natashia does not want to die of a mysterious dose of nerve gas, I doubt the US can ever prove that.

But I think its more than probable the boychinkins lied under oath in providing statements directly dictated by Trump. The Boychinkins might get indicted, but I doubt we'll remove a sitting US potus with a gop Senate over that.

But Rosenstein laid out the actual names of Russian intelligence employees he has probable cause to say violated US law in hacking private communications. That was a shot across Trump's bow, and he reacted rather angrily. LOL IF the US can tie Trump directly to any meeting where Russia shared that information with Trump, or that Trump had foreknowledge of the Russain's use of that information to send out facebook information or wikileaks or sputnik news .... then I'm not sure the US even has to prove a quid pro quo. If Trump benefited, he's an accessory after the fact. That's a felony. Would the Senate remove him? I dunno. I mean we'd like to think they would do the right thing .... but

If Trump can be tied to directly offering anything of value for that information, that is a totally separate felony ... and one that I don't see cannot be anything beyond leading to impeachment and conviction, esp if Trump knew the material was illegally obtained by Russian intelligence agents.