Trump is Toxic to Independents

By more than a 2:1 margin, independents view Trump as unfavorably.

Keep nominating Trump and keep losing elections, MAGA.

For Republicans, the results underscore the electoral risks of the party’s continuing refusal to repudiate Trump, even as he has openly associated with two antisemites who praised Adolf Hitler, praised the January 6, 2021, US Capitol rioters and publicly called for the “termination” of the US Constitution to restore himself to power.​
In the election, fully 66% of independent voters said they had an unfavorable view of the former president while just 30% viewed him favorably, according to the results of the exit poll conducted by Edison Research for a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Among female independents, Trump’s ratings were even worse: just 23% favorable and 72% unfavorable, according to previously unpublished exit poll results provided by the CNN polling unit. Trump’s unfavorable rating hit a comparable 69% among independents with at least a four-year college degree. “I have a hard time seeing the Republican Party escaping the grasp of Trump with or without him on the ballot anytime soon,” says Tom Bonier, chief executive officer of TargetSmart, a Democratic data and voter targeting firm.​
The results among independents also contained plenty of warnings for Democrats. The exit poll found that Biden’s image among them was only slightly more favorable than Trump’s (with 37% viewing the president favorably and 60% unfavorably) and that nearly three-fourths of independent voters (including virtually identical numbers of men and women) said they did not want him to run again in 2024. In a post-election survey conducted by Way to Win, a liberal group that works primarily with candidates and organizations focused on voters of color, roughly four-fifths of independents across the battleground states said they couldn’t identify anything the Biden administration has done that has directly improved their lives.​
Most importantly, the exit poll showed Democrats winning independents in the national vote for the House of Representatives only by a narrow 49% to 47% margin. That was a significantly smaller advantage than the double-digit lead among independents Democrats enjoyed in both the 2020 presidential race and the 2018 contest for the House.​

“These results weren’t necessarily an endorsement of Democrats,” says Democratic pollster Matt Hogan. “But they disliked Republicans and viewed them as even more extreme.”​
Still, the magnitude of the Democratic advantage among independents was probably less revealing than the fact that the party carried them at all, especially in a period of such economic unease. The party controlling the White House has not won independents in the national vote for the House in any midterm election since at least 1982, according to exit polls.​

In a normal world, there would be some self-reflection here by the GQP. They should be humiliated. Maybe they went too far. Maybe this notion of theirs, that they don't need "RINOs" or independents, is full of shit. Maybe they're picking candidates for the wrong reason. Maybe a majority of the country isn't in a fuckin' holy war against evil like they are. Maybe they're listening to the wrong voices.

If they don't wake up, we'll be in danger of going too far in the other direction. That's what we ALWAYS do: Overcompensate.
 
In a normal world, there would be some self-reflection here by the GQP. They should be humiliated. Maybe they went too far. Maybe this notion of theirs, that they don't need "RINOs" or independents, is full of shit. Maybe they're picking candidates for the wrong reason. Maybe a majority of the country isn't in a fuckin' holy war against evil like they are. Maybe they're listening to the wrong voices.

If they don't wake up, we'll be in danger of going too far in the other direction. That's what we ALWAYS do: Overcompensate.

It's because they're delusional loons.
 
I wonder if we'll ever get out of this "vote for me because I'm less shitty than the other guy" cycle.

Probably not unless and until we change the system under which these thugs operate.
When was the last time we were out of that cycle?

Such is contrary to human nature and, therefore, simply impossible.

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Does not matter how far you go back, politics has always been about making it harder to vote for the other guy. It is why Trump is so damn bad at this, he cant help but make it about him.
 
By more than a 2:1 margin, independents view Trump as unfavorably.

Keep nominating Trump and keep losing elections, MAGA.

For Republicans, the results underscore the electoral risks of the party’s continuing refusal to repudiate Trump, even as he has openly associated with two antisemites who praised Adolf Hitler, praised the January 6, 2021, US Capitol rioters and publicly called for the “termination” of the US Constitution to restore himself to power.​
In the election, fully 66% of independent voters said they had an unfavorable view of the former president while just 30% viewed him favorably, according to the results of the exit poll conducted by Edison Research for a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Among female independents, Trump’s ratings were even worse: just 23% favorable and 72% unfavorable, according to previously unpublished exit poll results provided by the CNN polling unit. Trump’s unfavorable rating hit a comparable 69% among independents with at least a four-year college degree. “I have a hard time seeing the Republican Party escaping the grasp of Trump with or without him on the ballot anytime soon,” says Tom Bonier, chief executive officer of TargetSmart, a Democratic data and voter targeting firm.​
The results among independents also contained plenty of warnings for Democrats. The exit poll found that Biden’s image among them was only slightly more favorable than Trump’s (with 37% viewing the president favorably and 60% unfavorably) and that nearly three-fourths of independent voters (including virtually identical numbers of men and women) said they did not want him to run again in 2024. In a post-election survey conducted by Way to Win, a liberal group that works primarily with candidates and organizations focused on voters of color, roughly four-fifths of independents across the battleground states said they couldn’t identify anything the Biden administration has done that has directly improved their lives.​
Most importantly, the exit poll showed Democrats winning independents in the national vote for the House of Representatives only by a narrow 49% to 47% margin. That was a significantly smaller advantage than the double-digit lead among independents Democrats enjoyed in both the 2020 presidential race and the 2018 contest for the House.​

“These results weren’t necessarily an endorsement of Democrats,” says Democratic pollster Matt Hogan. “But they disliked Republicans and viewed them as even more extreme.”​
Still, the magnitude of the Democratic advantage among independents was probably less revealing than the fact that the party carried them at all, especially in a period of such economic unease. The party controlling the White House has not won independents in the national vote for the House in any midterm election since at least 1982, according to exit polls.​

This is like the TRUMP NEWS NETWORK.

All day every day.

People are going to choose whoever they choose and you have no say. Just like we couldn't stop you idiots from nominating a dementia patient.
 
Naw.

If Trump doesn't get the nomination he'll run independently and siphon off enough Republican votes to hand the win to Biden....

or maybe Cheney.
Who knows.
No he wont. As for Cheney, i hope she runs as an independent. Not a single republican will vote for her, but dems will.
 
And BLM stands for Black Lives Matter.

But that is not what BLM actually means. It refers to a political movement. Same as MAGA. What it stands for is utterly irrelevant. It refers to a political movement.
Words mean things to America first patriot's... MAGA Stands for Make America Great Again... we are 37th in math and science our streets are filled with homeless and felons... our borders are wide open and the economy is failing... the nation is failing under democrat control... So I don't give a shit about a racist BLM meaning because to me all lives matter not just blacks....
And we need a leader that wants America to be great again and wants to place Americans first....
Not an old crook that is compromised by Russia China and Ukraine and who knows who else has the goods on the Biden crime family....
 
By more than a 2:1 margin, independents view Trump as unfavorably.

Keep nominating Trump and keep losing elections, MAGA.

For Republicans, the results underscore the electoral risks of the party’s continuing refusal to repudiate Trump, even as he has openly associated with two antisemites who praised Adolf Hitler, praised the January 6, 2021, US Capitol rioters and publicly called for the “termination” of the US Constitution to restore himself to power.​
In the election, fully 66% of independent voters said they had an unfavorable view of the former president while just 30% viewed him favorably, according to the results of the exit poll conducted by Edison Research for a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Among female independents, Trump’s ratings were even worse: just 23% favorable and 72% unfavorable, according to previously unpublished exit poll results provided by the CNN polling unit. Trump’s unfavorable rating hit a comparable 69% among independents with at least a four-year college degree. “I have a hard time seeing the Republican Party escaping the grasp of Trump with or without him on the ballot anytime soon,” says Tom Bonier, chief executive officer of TargetSmart, a Democratic data and voter targeting firm.​
The results among independents also contained plenty of warnings for Democrats. The exit poll found that Biden’s image among them was only slightly more favorable than Trump’s (with 37% viewing the president favorably and 60% unfavorably) and that nearly three-fourths of independent voters (including virtually identical numbers of men and women) said they did not want him to run again in 2024. In a post-election survey conducted by Way to Win, a liberal group that works primarily with candidates and organizations focused on voters of color, roughly four-fifths of independents across the battleground states said they couldn’t identify anything the Biden administration has done that has directly improved their lives.​
Most importantly, the exit poll showed Democrats winning independents in the national vote for the House of Representatives only by a narrow 49% to 47% margin. That was a significantly smaller advantage than the double-digit lead among independents Democrats enjoyed in both the 2020 presidential race and the 2018 contest for the House.​

“These results weren’t necessarily an endorsement of Democrats,” says Democratic pollster Matt Hogan. “But they disliked Republicans and viewed them as even more extreme.”​
Still, the magnitude of the Democratic advantage among independents was probably less revealing than the fact that the party carried them at all, especially in a period of such economic unease. The party controlling the White House has not won independents in the national vote for the House in any midterm election since at least 1982, according to exit polls.​

I'm an independent and despise Trump's personality. But, I vote what's best for the country and put my personal opinions aside because Trump is better for the country than politically correct woke socialism and it is painfully obvious the extent to which Democrats have abused their power to get Trump. It is the Democratic socialists who are the greatest threat to our democracy.
 
Words mean things to America first patriot's... MAGA Stands for Make America Great Again... we are 37th in math and science our streets are filled with homeless and felons... our borders are wide open and the economy is failing... the nation is failing under democrat control... So I don't give a shit about a racist BLM meaning because to me all lives matter not just blacks....
And we need a leader that wants America to be great again and wants to place Americans first....
Not an old crook that is compromised by Russia China and Ukraine and who knows who else has the goods on the Biden crime family....
Yes, like I said a political movement.

Denying MAGA is no more against making America great again than denying BLM is white supremacy. That was a lot of hot air to just say I was correct...
 
No he wont. As for Cheney, i hope she runs as an independent. Not a single republican will vote for her, but dems will.
You live in a fantasy land.

Democrats will not vote for Cheney, they have ZERO reason to do so. They only like Cheney because she is anti-Trump. Just like every democrat with whom they will actually agree with some positions they take.

There are CLEARLY establishment republicans in existence and they will clearly vote for her under the right circumstances (like Trump running).

You may not like the establishment republicans but that is irrelevant. Without them, democrats are guaranteed to win. Guaranteed.
 
I'm an independent and despise Trump's personality. But, I vote what's best for the country and put my personal opinions aside because Trump is better for the country than politically correct woke socialism and it is painfully obvious the extent to which Democrats have abused their power to get Trump. It is the Democratic socialists who are the greatest threat to our democracy.
Socialism is a system of economy, though, not government. Democratic socialism is, at best, a threat to our system of capitalism. If the country turned 180 degrees and swan-dived into a sea of democratic socialism, though, it would still be a democracy.

The threat to democracy is authoritarianism. In order to protect democracy, we need to ensure that everyone has an equal vote, expand the electorate as widely as possible, respect the results, and refrain from storming the seat of democracy to change the results, and so on.

Every fallen democracy has fallen to authoritarianism taking advantage of popular apathy or misguidance, not a change in how the economy works.
 
Socialism is a system of economy, though, not government. Democratic socialism is, at best, a threat to our system of capitalism. If the country turned 180 degrees and swan-dived into a sea of democratic socialism, though, it would still be a democracy.

The threat to democracy is authoritarianism. In order to protect democracy, we need to ensure that everyone has an equal vote, expand the electorate as widely as possible, respect the results, and refrain from storming the seat of democracy to change the results, and so on.

Every fallen democracy has fallen to authoritarianism taking advantage of popular apathy or misguidance, not a change in how the economy works.
There is no such thing as "Democratic Socialism". It is a trick by the socialists to gain complete control of the government and then people's rights are taken away. We've seen that during the pandemic. "Oh, we're taking your rights away for the good of society". They issued decrees against democracy, are rounding up and trying their political enemies, and tried taking government control of social media, not to mention they wanted to eliminate the senate filibuster and add seats to the Supreme Court on their way to taking complete control of the government. "Democratic" socialism is lie. They tried to set it up so that "Democratic socialism" means we vote in elections for our leader, just like Russia, Venezuela, and other countries do. It's a farse they claim to be democracy.
 
Words mean things to America first patriot's... MAGA Stands for Make America Great Again... we are 37th in math and science our streets are filled with homeless and felons... our borders are wide open and the economy is failing... the nation is failing under democrat control... So I don't give a shit about a racist BLM meaning because to me all lives matter not just blacks....
And we need a leader that wants America to be great again and wants to place Americans first....
Not an old crook that is compromised by Russia China and Ukraine and who knows who else has the goods on the Biden crime family....
Except for the last 60 years we have had more Republican leaders than Democratic leaders. And are things getting better for the average American? Vote for quality persons, not political party.
 
More like independents are toxic to Trump. They all vote commie - or vote for the independent candidate, which takes votes away from the patriots.
Yes, this is not a nation of and for the people. It is of and for TRUMP! Those people that don't like Trump, THEY are toxic.

You fucking twat.
 
There is no such thing as "Democratic Socialism". It is a trick by the socialists to gain complete control of the government and then people's rights are taken away. We've seen that during the pandemic. "Oh, we're taking your rights away for the good of society". They issued decrees against democracy, are rounding up and trying their political enemies, and tried taking government control of social media, not to mention they wanted to eliminate the senate filibuster and add seats to the Supreme Court on their way to taking complete control of the government. "Democratic" socialism is lie. They tried to set it up so that "Democratic socialism" means we vote in elections for our leader, just like Russia, Venezuela, and other countries do. It's a farse they claim to be democracy.
You don't seem to understand what socialism is. It just means that industry isn't privately owned, but owned by everyone together, and run by the government. 'Democratic socialism' is socialism used by a democratic government, so the people who decide how to run those government-operated industries are elected, as opposed to dictators.

And we have democratic socialism already. Fire fighting, for example, is an industry that provides a service, but it isn't privately owned. Instead, the whole industry is owned by the American people and run by the government; the service it provides (putting out fire) is then provided to anyone free of charge, based on need. I chose fire fighting because the companies used to be privately owned, but we as a society decided it was better for it to be run using a socialist, rather than a capitalist, model.

It's fine if you think Democrats are on a power grab, or if you want to criticize their position on this or that. The whole system works by having everyone argue their ideology, so that's a good thing. It seems, though, that what you don't like is anti-democracy; standing up for democracy is also a good thing, but it's important to what is actually anti-democratic, and what is just being made to seem that way, whether by mistake, or confusion, or people with ulterior motives.
 
You don't seem to understand what socialism is. It just means that industry isn't privately owned, but owned by everyone together, and run by the government. 'Democratic socialism' is socialism used by a democratic government, so the people who decide how to run those government-operated industries are elected, as opposed to dictators.

And we have democratic socialism already. Fire fighting, for example, is an industry that provides a service, but it isn't privately owned. Instead, the whole industry is owned by the American people and run by the government; the service it provides (putting out fire) is then provided to anyone free of charge, based on need. I chose fire fighting because the companies used to be privately owned, but we as a society decided it was better for it to be run using a socialist, rather than a capitalist, model.

It's fine if you think Democrats are on a power grab, or if you want to criticize their position on this or that. The whole system works by having everyone argue their ideology, so that's a good thing. It seems, though, that what you don't like is anti-democracy; standing up for democracy is also a good thing, but it's important to what is actually anti-democratic, and what is just being made to seem that way, whether by mistake, or confusion, or people with ulterior motives.
You guys keep repeating that crap, hoping the dweebs will believe the government can have total control of your lives but it will still be a democracy.
 
More like independents are toxic to Trump. They all vote commie - or vote for the independent candidate, which takes votes away from the patriots.
Patriots !

What a fucking laugh. Trump is anything but a patriot. Trump is toxic to America. A wannabe dictator.
 

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