Trump is Right Again; Our Nation is Led By Idiots, Fools, and Crooks

[LoneLaugher]

Sure. I believe you. It's just an illness. You know....the terrible sickness that forces you to take a shit on ALL politicians......even the ones who support limiting money in politics. After all....none of them ever tell the truth. If they say they want to limit money in politics, you can bet they want more money in politics.

Who are you supporting for POTUS, cynic boy?

I am telling the Truth about career politicians, dude. These guys have been working with the tactic of telling the voters anything the voters want to hear during elections then backtracking and fucking the voters over once they are in office. I don't know how many times I have heard 'Don't worry about it, they will forget everything by the next election.'

ALL career politicians SUCK and you know it and like it too.

As to funding elections, they should get zero dollars, a free amount of time on a public cable channel for whatever message they want to get out and any time or 'soft money' donations that people want to give under $100 worth.

We don't need to be led by whores and idiots.

I know it and like it too?

Where do you come from?

You did not tell me who you are supporting in 2016, Chief. Did you forget?

Well, for the moment I support Rand Paul, but I also like Carson a whole lot, and Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee and Jindal.

For the Democrats I like Jim Webb and Bernie Sanders, though Sanders on a personal level not his policies as much. I don't like socialism as an economic set of policies. I would certainly vote for Sanders over Bush or Rubio.

Only one of the people you mentioned has gone on record as wanting to put an end to Citizens United.

What economic set of policies DO you like? Unfettered capitalism?

What exactly do you like about Rand Paul's economic policy...and which of the other names you mentioned is in agreement with Paul on the economy?

My personal ideal economic policy would have the tax burden carried by the wealthiest Americans, as it mostly is now with some significant exceptions. But the tax code could be seriously simplified and should be. I like Rand Paul's flat tax, and Trump's proposed use of tariffs to encourage fair trade as opposed to free trade. Any changes would have to avoid increasing the tax burden on the lower 50% of income earners. NAFTA, GAT, and the TPP do not advocate fair trade at all and are chiefly formed with the interest of international trading corporations in mind rather than the good of the American people which are two very different things. We can stimulate economic growth by reducing regulatory burdens using sunset laws and regulatory review to simplify the regulations our nation has to abide by. One shouldn't have to have lawyers on retainer to do business in the US. I personally would like to fold the Social Security and Medicaire taxes into the general budget and make the only tax deduction for businesses and corporations a deduction of 20% of their US citizens pay.

Paul is in favor of a flat tax (14.5% for income over $50k, remove Socsec and medicair taxes too) and free trade, and wants smaller government with fewer regulations that are slowing the economy. He hits the right notes, IMO, on civil liberties, transparency in government and responsible use of American power overseas. He voted against the TPA and the TPP. I do not like his thick skinned approach to refusing to help those in need, but he does support things being done in this respect at the state and local level where he thinks it belongs, a subsidiarity principle. Paul's flat tax would also keep deductions for charitable donations and interest on primary residence.
Sen. Rand Paul to Unveil 14.5 Percent Flat Tax for All

Cruz is in favor of a flat tax (??%) and free trade, and he wants to dismantle the IRS. He is an ideological 'Chamber of Commerce' conservative down the line. While I don't agree with many of his ideas, I think he could serve as a balancing antidote to the Obama regime's policies.

Carson supports a flat tax (10%, keep socsec and medicare taxes, I believe) and shrinking the federal government in real numbers and freezing new entitlement programs. He also wants to make it more difficult to receive welfare. He is in favor of raising the minimum wage, opposed TPP and favors using tariffs to protect American jobs. I like his ideas but I suspect that they are somewhat naïve.

Hucklebee has a poor record on controlling spending and he has also raised taxes in numerous ways in Arkansas as governor there, but he has had a fairly humane approach to helping the poor and unfortunate with government programs. He is more of a 1968 style liberal than a conservative. He has supported raising tariffs, supports lower taxes (replacing income tax with a sales tax), protecting American jobs and supports fair trade instead of free trade and an increase in minimum wage. He is also a 'soft' environmentalist and wants to morally revive our nation.

Trump has a better tax plan, IMO, than most(except Paul's) but his approach to international trade I love the most. He would have a 1% tax for incomes under $30k, 5% for income between $30k and $100k, a 10% rate on income between $100k and $1 million, then 15% above $1 million. He has criticized most flat tax proposals as hard on the poor and working class, which most are. He would keep Socsec and medicare taxes as they currently are, I believe, leaving Paul's tax plan cheaper on the lower classes. He favors the use of tariffs to encourage companies to remain or locate to the US. He does want to lower corporate tax rates and supports fair trade instead of free trade, in effect. And while Trump has been critical of Citizens Untied money in the political process, that doesn't mean he is necessarily against it as are most rank and file Republicans. Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United

Jim Webb is a fair trader and was similar to Lieberman and others in the Democratic party who support lower taxes on the middle class but he is not in favor of a flat tax. James Webb on the Issues

Sanders is a socialist who favors fair trade, but would increase government regulation. Of the candidates I would even consider voting for he has the lowest marks, but would be good on fair trade and middle class interests. I love his hostility to Wall Street Casino economics and his priority of strengthening the social safety net. He is not a gun confiscating Nazi, unlike many Democrats. Bernie Sanders on Gun Control

You think the wealthiest are carrying the tax burden now?

You think a flat tax will put the burden on the wealthiest?

What regulations?

 

[my2¢]

"Our Nation is Led By Idiots, Fools, and Crooks" - the very best explanation of Trump's campaign strategy I've ever seen.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I am telling the Truth about career politicians, dude. These guys have been working with the tactic of telling the voters anything the voters want to hear during elections then backtracking and fucking the voters over once they are in office. I don't know how many times I have heard 'Don't worry about it, they will forget everything by the next election.'

ALL career politicians SUCK and you know it and like it too.

As to funding elections, they should get zero dollars, a free amount of time on a public cable channel for whatever message they want to get out and any time or 'soft money' donations that people want to give under $100 worth.

We don't need to be led by whores and idiots.

I know it and like it too?

Where do you come from?

You did not tell me who you are supporting in 2016, Chief. Did you forget?

Well, for the moment I support Rand Paul, but I also like Carson a whole lot, and Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee and Jindal.

For the Democrats I like Jim Webb and Bernie Sanders, though Sanders on a personal level not his policies as much. I don't like socialism as an economic set of policies. I would certainly vote for Sanders over Bush or Rubio.

Only one of the people you mentioned has gone on record as wanting to put an end to Citizens United.

What economic set of policies DO you like? Unfettered capitalism?

What exactly do you like about Rand Paul's economic policy...and which of the other names you mentioned is in agreement with Paul on the economy?

My personal ideal economic policy would have the tax burden carried by the wealthiest Americans, as it mostly is now with some significant exceptions. But the tax code could be seriously simplified and should be. I like Rand Paul's flat tax, and Trump's proposed use of tariffs to encourage fair trade as opposed to free trade. Any changes would have to avoid increasing the tax burden on the lower 50% of income earners. NAFTA, GAT, and the TPP do not advocate fair trade at all and are chiefly formed with the interest of international trading corporations in mind rather than the good of the American people which are two very different things. We can stimulate economic growth by reducing regulatory burdens using sunset laws and regulatory review to simplify the regulations our nation has to abide by. One shouldn't have to have lawyers on retainer to do business in the US. I personally would like to fold the Social Security and Medicaire taxes into the general budget and make the only tax deduction for businesses and corporations a deduction of 20% of their US citizens pay.

Paul is in favor of a flat tax (14.5% for income over $50k, remove Socsec and medicair taxes too) and free trade, and wants smaller government with fewer regulations that are slowing the economy. He hits the right notes, IMO, on civil liberties, transparency in government and responsible use of American power overseas. He voted against the TPA and the TPP. I do not like his thick skinned approach to refusing to help those in need, but he does support things being done in this respect at the state and local level where he thinks it belongs, a subsidiarity principle. Paul's flat tax would also keep deductions for charitable donations and interest on primary residence.
Sen. Rand Paul to Unveil 14.5 Percent Flat Tax for All

Cruz is in favor of a flat tax (??%) and free trade, and he wants to dismantle the IRS. He is an ideological 'Chamber of Commerce' conservative down the line. While I don't agree with many of his ideas, I think he could serve as a balancing antidote to the Obama regime's policies.

Carson supports a flat tax (10%, keep socsec and medicare taxes, I believe) and shrinking the federal government in real numbers and freezing new entitlement programs. He also wants to make it more difficult to receive welfare. He is in favor of raising the minimum wage, opposed TPP and favors using tariffs to protect American jobs. I like his ideas but I suspect that they are somewhat naïve.

Hucklebee has a poor record on controlling spending and he has also raised taxes in numerous ways in Arkansas as governor there, but he has had a fairly humane approach to helping the poor and unfortunate with government programs. He is more of a 1968 style liberal than a conservative. He has supported raising tariffs, supports lower taxes (replacing income tax with a sales tax), protecting American jobs and supports fair trade instead of free trade and an increase in minimum wage. He is also a 'soft' environmentalist and wants to morally revive our nation.

Trump has a better tax plan, IMO, than most(except Paul's) but his approach to international trade I love the most. He would have a 1% tax for incomes under $30k, 5% for income between $30k and $100k, a 10% rate on income between $100k and $1 million, then 15% above $1 million. He has criticized most flat tax proposals as hard on the poor and working class, which most are. He would keep Socsec and medicare taxes as they currently are, I believe, leaving Paul's tax plan cheaper on the lower classes. He favors the use of tariffs to encourage companies to remain or locate to the US. He does want to lower corporate tax rates and supports fair trade instead of free trade, in effect. And while Trump has been critical of Citizens Untied money in the political process, that doesn't mean he is necessarily against it as are most rank and file Republicans. Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United

Jim Webb is a fair trader and was similar to Lieberman and others in the Democratic party who support lower taxes on the middle class but he is not in favor of a flat tax. James Webb on the Issues

Sanders is a socialist who favors fair trade, but would increase government regulation. Of the candidates I would even consider voting for he has the lowest marks, but would be good on fair trade and middle class interests. I love his hostility to Wall Street Casino economics and his priority of strengthening the social safety net. He is not a gun confiscating Nazi, unlike many Democrats. Bernie Sanders on Gun Control

You think the wealthiest are carrying the tax burden now?

You think a flat tax will put the burden on the wealthiest?

What regulations?

Top 0.1 Percent Pays More Income Tax than Bottom 80 Percent

"In 2010, according to the TPC, Americans in the lowest quintile of income-earners — the bottom 20 percent — paid minus-3.8 percent of the total federal income tax burden. In other words, they got more back, in income tax credits and the like, than they paid in. Similarly, those in the second quintile paid minus-4.3 percent of the total federal income tax burden — so they, too, weren’t paying into the income tax till but rather were taking out.

Those in the middle quintile — pretty much the center of the middle class (this quintile had an average income of $44,000) — paid 3.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden (about $1 of every $25 dollars in income taxes paid nationwide). And those in the fourth quintile — whose income ranged from $58,000 to $102,000 — paid 15.1 percent of the total federal income tax burden.

So, all told, the 80 percent of Americans whose income placed them in one of these first four quintiles of income-earners combined to pay 10.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden. Put otherwise, this 80 percent of the citizenry paid about $1 out of every $9 that was paid in federal income taxes nationwide.

Meanwhile, Americans in the highest 0.1 percent of all income-earners — these are the very rich, with incomes of at least $1.974 million — paid 16.4 percent of the total federal tax burden. Essentially, one out of every $6 paid in federal income tax was paid by this 0.1 percent of the citizenry.

In other words, the top 0.1 percent paid more toward the workings of government than the bottom 80 percent did. That’s despite the fact that the bottom 80 percent collectively made more than six times as much money as the top 0.1 percent did."


A flat tax would not put a higher burden on the wealthiest, but it can be implemented in such a way, that like Paul's plan, that it would have zero impact on the lower classes other than eliminate their tax subsidy.

And are you asking which regulations impact/restrict businesses? Wow, I am not sure where to start. EPA regs are often arbitrary and in no way ever intended by the authors of the original bills, though no one pays any attention to such things any more. OSHA regs are also often capricious and used to shut down smaller businesses to eliminate more efficient competition for corporations.

 

[Blackrook]

Trump is just as guilty as all the rest of being an idiot, fool, and crook. He acts like a clown. He goes out of his way to make outrageous statements to piss people off.

The man is totally unpredictable, so putting him charge of nuclear war button is a risk we can't afford to take.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I know it and like it too?

Where do you come from?

You did not tell me who you are supporting in 2016, Chief. Did you forget?

Well, for the moment I support Rand Paul, but I also like Carson a whole lot, and Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee and Jindal.

For the Democrats I like Jim Webb and Bernie Sanders, though Sanders on a personal level not his policies as much. I don't like socialism as an economic set of policies. I would certainly vote for Sanders over Bush or Rubio.

Only one of the people you mentioned has gone on record as wanting to put an end to Citizens United.

What economic set of policies DO you like? Unfettered capitalism?

What exactly do you like about Rand Paul's economic policy...and which of the other names you mentioned is in agreement with Paul on the economy?

My personal ideal economic policy would have the tax burden carried by the wealthiest Americans, as it mostly is now with some significant exceptions. But the tax code could be seriously simplified and should be. I like Rand Paul's flat tax, and Trump's proposed use of tariffs to encourage fair trade as opposed to free trade. Any changes would have to avoid increasing the tax burden on the lower 50% of income earners. NAFTA, GAT, and the TPP do not advocate fair trade at all and are chiefly formed with the interest of international trading corporations in mind rather than the good of the American people which are two very different things. We can stimulate economic growth by reducing regulatory burdens using sunset laws and regulatory review to simplify the regulations our nation has to abide by. One shouldn't have to have lawyers on retainer to do business in the US. I personally would like to fold the Social Security and Medicaire taxes into the general budget and make the only tax deduction for businesses and corporations a deduction of 20% of their US citizens pay.

Paul is in favor of a flat tax (14.5% for income over $50k, remove Socsec and medicair taxes too) and free trade, and wants smaller government with fewer regulations that are slowing the economy. He hits the right notes, IMO, on civil liberties, transparency in government and responsible use of American power overseas. He voted against the TPA and the TPP. I do not like his thick skinned approach to refusing to help those in need, but he does support things being done in this respect at the state and local level where he thinks it belongs, a subsidiarity principle. Paul's flat tax would also keep deductions for charitable donations and interest on primary residence.
Sen. Rand Paul to Unveil 14.5 Percent Flat Tax for All

Cruz is in favor of a flat tax (??%) and free trade, and he wants to dismantle the IRS. He is an ideological 'Chamber of Commerce' conservative down the line. While I don't agree with many of his ideas, I think he could serve as a balancing antidote to the Obama regime's policies.

Carson supports a flat tax (10%, keep socsec and medicare taxes, I believe) and shrinking the federal government in real numbers and freezing new entitlement programs. He also wants to make it more difficult to receive welfare. He is in favor of raising the minimum wage, opposed TPP and favors using tariffs to protect American jobs. I like his ideas but I suspect that they are somewhat naïve.

Hucklebee has a poor record on controlling spending and he has also raised taxes in numerous ways in Arkansas as governor there, but he has had a fairly humane approach to helping the poor and unfortunate with government programs. He is more of a 1968 style liberal than a conservative. He has supported raising tariffs, supports lower taxes (replacing income tax with a sales tax), protecting American jobs and supports fair trade instead of free trade and an increase in minimum wage. He is also a 'soft' environmentalist and wants to morally revive our nation.

Trump has a better tax plan, IMO, than most(except Paul's) but his approach to international trade I love the most. He would have a 1% tax for incomes under $30k, 5% for income between $30k and $100k, a 10% rate on income between $100k and $1 million, then 15% above $1 million. He has criticized most flat tax proposals as hard on the poor and working class, which most are. He would keep Socsec and medicare taxes as they currently are, I believe, leaving Paul's tax plan cheaper on the lower classes. He favors the use of tariffs to encourage companies to remain or locate to the US. He does want to lower corporate tax rates and supports fair trade instead of free trade, in effect. And while Trump has been critical of Citizens Untied money in the political process, that doesn't mean he is necessarily against it as are most rank and file Republicans. Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United

Jim Webb is a fair trader and was similar to Lieberman and others in the Democratic party who support lower taxes on the middle class but he is not in favor of a flat tax. James Webb on the Issues

Sanders is a socialist who favors fair trade, but would increase government regulation. Of the candidates I would even consider voting for he has the lowest marks, but would be good on fair trade and middle class interests. I love his hostility to Wall Street Casino economics and his priority of strengthening the social safety net. He is not a gun confiscating Nazi, unlike many Democrats. Bernie Sanders on Gun Control

You think the wealthiest are carrying the tax burden now?

You think a flat tax will put the burden on the wealthiest?

What regulations?

Top 0.1 Percent Pays More Income Tax than Bottom 80 Percent

"In 2010, according to the TPC, Americans in the lowest quintile of income-earners — the bottom 20 percent — paid minus-3.8 percent of the total federal income tax burden. In other words, they got more back, in income tax credits and the like, than they paid in. Similarly, those in the second quintile paid minus-4.3 percent of the total federal income tax burden — so they, too, weren’t paying into the income tax till but rather were taking out.

Those in the middle quintile — pretty much the center of the middle class (this quintile had an average income of $44,000) — paid 3.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden (about $1 of every $25 dollars in income taxes paid nationwide). And those in the fourth quintile — whose income ranged from $58,000 to $102,000 — paid 15.1 percent of the total federal income tax burden.

So, all told, the 80 percent of Americans whose income placed them in one of these first four quintiles of income-earners combined to pay 10.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden. Put otherwise, this 80 percent of the citizenry paid about $1 out of every $9 that was paid in federal income taxes nationwide.

Meanwhile, Americans in the highest 0.1 percent of all income-earners — these are the very rich, with incomes of at least $1.974 million — paid 16.4 percent of the total federal tax burden. Essentially, one out of every $6 paid in federal income tax was paid by this 0.1 percent of the citizenry.

In other words, the top 0.1 percent paid more toward the workings of government than the bottom 80 percent did. That’s despite the fact that the bottom 80 percent collectively made more than six times as much money as the top 0.1 percent did."


A flat tax would not put a higher burden on the wealthiest, but it can be implemented in such a way, that like Paul's plan, that it would have zero impact on the lower classes other than eliminate their tax subsidy.

And are you asking which regulations impact/restrict businesses? Wow, I am not sure where to start. EPA regs are often arbitrary and in no way ever intended by the authors of the original bills, though no one pays any attention to such things any more. OSHA regs are also often capricious and used to shut down smaller businesses to eliminate more efficient competition for corporations.

Predictable. Nothing if not predictable.

The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was making us believe they pay all the taxes

And....your pablum regarding anti business regulations is weak. I have asked for specifics. What specific regulations kill businesses?

 

[candycorn]

collapse, ethnic cleansing, partitioning, reconstruction.

Your forgot the concentration camps there Jerry.

Well we all know the left will never forget concentration camps, fucktard.

His wanting to bring them back for immigrants is heartwarming, don'tchathink?

 

[candycorn]

And on cue, exhibit A shows up to confirm my words of truth. Seriously...and I open this up for the entire board...has anyone ever benefited from Claudette's words? Ever? I'm sure the only ones who have are the unborn children who were never conceived by this dreadful winch...obviously she is the poster child for and only birth control a man would ever need.

Right on Q elitist asshole shows up.

It's spelled "cue" you daft cvnt. You may have known this if you could read (I used the word above). But then I've always held out that conservatism is simply another word for laziness and shallow thinking. Again, in both cases, you personify exhibit A.

Ah well. Carry on shit ingot. I'm sure you can think of a few more things to say. I'm also sure that no one will be listening. LOL

I can't help it if I'm elite. Then again look at who I'm being compared to...you! Cockroaches are more classy than you.

As for "no one listening"....you may be right. You responded and you're certainly a nobody.

Speaking of an elitist nobody?? Oh wait. That's you.

You are funny as hell especially when put on the elitist show. And you do work at it. That you do.

Ah well. Have a good one. I've got to go. Night Night. LMAO.

You've got to go? Thats a laugh.

Daytime stripper I suppose..

Enjoy your nickles.

Even were she a stripper, at least she isn't a stupid addle brained shithead like you, Candywhore.

Ahh, the "whore" blast. Its pretty clear that you're a mental midget. That being said, you're also ugly.

 

[MathewSmith]

The only people who support Trump are those who believe white men with money are the only people of value in this country. Trump’s rise in the polls is because the same people who don’t believe in science, want small government that controls every bedroom, watch nothing but lying Fox News.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Trump is just as guilty as all the rest of being an idiot, fool, and crook. He acts like a clown. He goes out of his way to make outrageous statements to piss people off.

The man is totally unpredictable, so putting him charge of nuclear war button is a risk we can't afford to take.

Yeah, because idiots, clowns, and fools make $10 billion all the time.

Get real, dude.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The only people who support Trump are those who believe white men with money are the only people of value in this country. Trump’s rise in the polls is because the same people who don’t believe in science, want small government that controls every bedroom, watch nothing but lying Fox News.

Congratulations on making the single most ignorant, prejudiced, and asinine post on this whole thread.

It is impossible for you to be more wrong and even the New Yawk Times knows it.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/u...mp-wont-fold-polls-and-people-speak.html?_r=0

"A review of public polling, extensive interviews with a host of his supporters in two states and a new private survey that tracks voting records all point to the conclusion that Mr. Trump has built a broad, demographically and ideologically diverse coalition, constructed around personality, not substance, that bridges demographic and political divides. In doing so, he has effectively insulated himself from the consequences of startling statements that might instantly doom rival candidates.


"In poll after poll of Republicans, Mr. Trump leads among women, despite having used terms like “fat pigs” and “disgusting animals” to denigrate some of them. He leads among evangelical Christians, despite saying he had never had a reason to ask God for forgiveness. He leads among moderates and college-educated voters, despite a populist and anti-immigrant message thought to resonate most with conservatives and less-affluent voters. He leads among the most frequent, likely voters, even though his appeal is greatest among those with little history of voting."

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well, for the moment I support Rand Paul, but I also like Carson a whole lot, and Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee and Jindal.

For the Democrats I like Jim Webb and Bernie Sanders, though Sanders on a personal level not his policies as much. I don't like socialism as an economic set of policies. I would certainly vote for Sanders over Bush or Rubio.

Only one of the people you mentioned has gone on record as wanting to put an end to Citizens United.

What economic set of policies DO you like? Unfettered capitalism?

What exactly do you like about Rand Paul's economic policy...and which of the other names you mentioned is in agreement with Paul on the economy?

My personal ideal economic policy would have the tax burden carried by the wealthiest Americans, as it mostly is now with some significant exceptions. But the tax code could be seriously simplified and should be. I like Rand Paul's flat tax, and Trump's proposed use of tariffs to encourage fair trade as opposed to free trade. Any changes would have to avoid increasing the tax burden on the lower 50% of income earners. NAFTA, GAT, and the TPP do not advocate fair trade at all and are chiefly formed with the interest of international trading corporations in mind rather than the good of the American people which are two very different things. We can stimulate economic growth by reducing regulatory burdens using sunset laws and regulatory review to simplify the regulations our nation has to abide by. One shouldn't have to have lawyers on retainer to do business in the US. I personally would like to fold the Social Security and Medicaire taxes into the general budget and make the only tax deduction for businesses and corporations a deduction of 20% of their US citizens pay.

Paul is in favor of a flat tax (14.5% for income over $50k, remove Socsec and medicair taxes too) and free trade, and wants smaller government with fewer regulations that are slowing the economy. He hits the right notes, IMO, on civil liberties, transparency in government and responsible use of American power overseas. He voted against the TPA and the TPP. I do not like his thick skinned approach to refusing to help those in need, but he does support things being done in this respect at the state and local level where he thinks it belongs, a subsidiarity principle. Paul's flat tax would also keep deductions for charitable donations and interest on primary residence.
Sen. Rand Paul to Unveil 14.5 Percent Flat Tax for All

Cruz is in favor of a flat tax (??%) and free trade, and he wants to dismantle the IRS. He is an ideological 'Chamber of Commerce' conservative down the line. While I don't agree with many of his ideas, I think he could serve as a balancing antidote to the Obama regime's policies.

Carson supports a flat tax (10%, keep socsec and medicare taxes, I believe) and shrinking the federal government in real numbers and freezing new entitlement programs. He also wants to make it more difficult to receive welfare. He is in favor of raising the minimum wage, opposed TPP and favors using tariffs to protect American jobs. I like his ideas but I suspect that they are somewhat naïve.

Hucklebee has a poor record on controlling spending and he has also raised taxes in numerous ways in Arkansas as governor there, but he has had a fairly humane approach to helping the poor and unfortunate with government programs. He is more of a 1968 style liberal than a conservative. He has supported raising tariffs, supports lower taxes (replacing income tax with a sales tax), protecting American jobs and supports fair trade instead of free trade and an increase in minimum wage. He is also a 'soft' environmentalist and wants to morally revive our nation.

Trump has a better tax plan, IMO, than most(except Paul's) but his approach to international trade I love the most. He would have a 1% tax for incomes under $30k, 5% for income between $30k and $100k, a 10% rate on income between $100k and $1 million, then 15% above $1 million. He has criticized most flat tax proposals as hard on the poor and working class, which most are. He would keep Socsec and medicare taxes as they currently are, I believe, leaving Paul's tax plan cheaper on the lower classes. He favors the use of tariffs to encourage companies to remain or locate to the US. He does want to lower corporate tax rates and supports fair trade instead of free trade, in effect. And while Trump has been critical of Citizens Untied money in the political process, that doesn't mean he is necessarily against it as are most rank and file Republicans. Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United

Jim Webb is a fair trader and was similar to Lieberman and others in the Democratic party who support lower taxes on the middle class but he is not in favor of a flat tax. James Webb on the Issues

Sanders is a socialist who favors fair trade, but would increase government regulation. Of the candidates I would even consider voting for he has the lowest marks, but would be good on fair trade and middle class interests. I love his hostility to Wall Street Casino economics and his priority of strengthening the social safety net. He is not a gun confiscating Nazi, unlike many Democrats. Bernie Sanders on Gun Control

You think the wealthiest are carrying the tax burden now?

You think a flat tax will put the burden on the wealthiest?

What regulations?

Top 0.1 Percent Pays More Income Tax than Bottom 80 Percent

"In 2010, according to the TPC, Americans in the lowest quintile of income-earners — the bottom 20 percent — paid minus-3.8 percent of the total federal income tax burden. In other words, they got more back, in income tax credits and the like, than they paid in. Similarly, those in the second quintile paid minus-4.3 percent of the total federal income tax burden — so they, too, weren’t paying into the income tax till but rather were taking out.

Those in the middle quintile — pretty much the center of the middle class (this quintile had an average income of $44,000) — paid 3.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden (about $1 of every $25 dollars in income taxes paid nationwide). And those in the fourth quintile — whose income ranged from $58,000 to $102,000 — paid 15.1 percent of the total federal income tax burden.

So, all told, the 80 percent of Americans whose income placed them in one of these first four quintiles of income-earners combined to pay 10.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden. Put otherwise, this 80 percent of the citizenry paid about $1 out of every $9 that was paid in federal income taxes nationwide.

Meanwhile, Americans in the highest 0.1 percent of all income-earners — these are the very rich, with incomes of at least $1.974 million — paid 16.4 percent of the total federal tax burden. Essentially, one out of every $6 paid in federal income tax was paid by this 0.1 percent of the citizenry.

In other words, the top 0.1 percent paid more toward the workings of government than the bottom 80 percent did. That’s despite the fact that the bottom 80 percent collectively made more than six times as much money as the top 0.1 percent did."


A flat tax would not put a higher burden on the wealthiest, but it can be implemented in such a way, that like Paul's plan, that it would have zero impact on the lower classes other than eliminate their tax subsidy.

And are you asking which regulations impact/restrict businesses? Wow, I am not sure where to start. EPA regs are often arbitrary and in no way ever intended by the authors of the original bills, though no one pays any attention to such things any more. OSHA regs are also often capricious and used to shut down smaller businesses to eliminate more efficient competition for corporations.

Predictable. Nothing if not predictable.

The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was making us believe they pay all the taxes

And....your pablum regarding anti business regulations is weak. I have asked for specifics. What specific regulations kill businesses?

1. No I did not say that the rich pay all the taxes, but only that they pay a higher percentage, over all, than lower classes of American earners, and that was proven. Then you respond to my veracity by ridiculing me for being predictable; well I hope I can be predictably right. You should try it sometime.

2. You characterize my response on regulations as if you have never heard of the growth of business regulations by the federal government and then demand specifics, despite having not responded to any of the specifics I have given prior in the thread. Why should I go through the trouble of getting you more specifics when you obviously couldn't give a shit anyway?

Go find someone else to chase your wild geese, dude.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Right on Q elitist asshole shows up.

It's spelled "cue" you daft cvnt. You may have known this if you could read (I used the word above). But then I've always held out that conservatism is simply another word for laziness and shallow thinking. Again, in both cases, you personify exhibit A.

Ah well. Carry on shit ingot. I'm sure you can think of a few more things to say. I'm also sure that no one will be listening. LOL

I can't help it if I'm elite. Then again look at who I'm being compared to...you! Cockroaches are more classy than you.

As for "no one listening"....you may be right. You responded and you're certainly a nobody.

Speaking of an elitist nobody?? Oh wait. That's you.

You are funny as hell especially when put on the elitist show. And you do work at it. That you do.

Ah well. Have a good one. I've got to go. Night Night. LMAO.

You've got to go? Thats a laugh.

Daytime stripper I suppose..

Enjoy your nickles.

Even were she a stripper, at least she isn't a stupid addle brained shithead like you, Candywhore.

Ahh, the "whore" blast. Its pretty clear that you're a mental midget. That being said, you're also ugly.

If the shoe fits wear it, ass hole.

 

[Wildman]

PS: If you're still in this "doomed" nation...why?

for me.., IF you have a job and paying taxes and S.S., you are supporting my retired lifestyle. ... ... ... ...

 

[Wildman]

Congratulations on making the single most ignorant, prejudiced, and asinine post on this whole thread.

... ... ... ...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Only one of the people you mentioned has gone on record as wanting to put an end to Citizens United.

What economic set of policies DO you like? Unfettered capitalism?

What exactly do you like about Rand Paul's economic policy...and which of the other names you mentioned is in agreement with Paul on the economy?

My personal ideal economic policy would have the tax burden carried by the wealthiest Americans, as it mostly is now with some significant exceptions. But the tax code could be seriously simplified and should be. I like Rand Paul's flat tax, and Trump's proposed use of tariffs to encourage fair trade as opposed to free trade. Any changes would have to avoid increasing the tax burden on the lower 50% of income earners. NAFTA, GAT, and the TPP do not advocate fair trade at all and are chiefly formed with the interest of international trading corporations in mind rather than the good of the American people which are two very different things. We can stimulate economic growth by reducing regulatory burdens using sunset laws and regulatory review to simplify the regulations our nation has to abide by. One shouldn't have to have lawyers on retainer to do business in the US. I personally would like to fold the Social Security and Medicaire taxes into the general budget and make the only tax deduction for businesses and corporations a deduction of 20% of their US citizens pay.

Paul is in favor of a flat tax (14.5% for income over $50k, remove Socsec and medicair taxes too) and free trade, and wants smaller government with fewer regulations that are slowing the economy. He hits the right notes, IMO, on civil liberties, transparency in government and responsible use of American power overseas. He voted against the TPA and the TPP. I do not like his thick skinned approach to refusing to help those in need, but he does support things being done in this respect at the state and local level where he thinks it belongs, a subsidiarity principle. Paul's flat tax would also keep deductions for charitable donations and interest on primary residence.
Sen. Rand Paul to Unveil 14.5 Percent Flat Tax for All

Cruz is in favor of a flat tax (??%) and free trade, and he wants to dismantle the IRS. He is an ideological 'Chamber of Commerce' conservative down the line. While I don't agree with many of his ideas, I think he could serve as a balancing antidote to the Obama regime's policies.

Carson supports a flat tax (10%, keep socsec and medicare taxes, I believe) and shrinking the federal government in real numbers and freezing new entitlement programs. He also wants to make it more difficult to receive welfare. He is in favor of raising the minimum wage, opposed TPP and favors using tariffs to protect American jobs. I like his ideas but I suspect that they are somewhat naïve.

Hucklebee has a poor record on controlling spending and he has also raised taxes in numerous ways in Arkansas as governor there, but he has had a fairly humane approach to helping the poor and unfortunate with government programs. He is more of a 1968 style liberal than a conservative. He has supported raising tariffs, supports lower taxes (replacing income tax with a sales tax), protecting American jobs and supports fair trade instead of free trade and an increase in minimum wage. He is also a 'soft' environmentalist and wants to morally revive our nation.

Trump has a better tax plan, IMO, than most(except Paul's) but his approach to international trade I love the most. He would have a 1% tax for incomes under $30k, 5% for income between $30k and $100k, a 10% rate on income between $100k and $1 million, then 15% above $1 million. He has criticized most flat tax proposals as hard on the poor and working class, which most are. He would keep Socsec and medicare taxes as they currently are, I believe, leaving Paul's tax plan cheaper on the lower classes. He favors the use of tariffs to encourage companies to remain or locate to the US. He does want to lower corporate tax rates and supports fair trade instead of free trade, in effect. And while Trump has been critical of Citizens Untied money in the political process, that doesn't mean he is necessarily against it as are most rank and file Republicans. Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United

Jim Webb is a fair trader and was similar to Lieberman and others in the Democratic party who support lower taxes on the middle class but he is not in favor of a flat tax. James Webb on the Issues

Sanders is a socialist who favors fair trade, but would increase government regulation. Of the candidates I would even consider voting for he has the lowest marks, but would be good on fair trade and middle class interests. I love his hostility to Wall Street Casino economics and his priority of strengthening the social safety net. He is not a gun confiscating Nazi, unlike many Democrats. Bernie Sanders on Gun Control

You think the wealthiest are carrying the tax burden now?

You think a flat tax will put the burden on the wealthiest?

What regulations?

Top 0.1 Percent Pays More Income Tax than Bottom 80 Percent

"In 2010, according to the TPC, Americans in the lowest quintile of income-earners — the bottom 20 percent — paid minus-3.8 percent of the total federal income tax burden. In other words, they got more back, in income tax credits and the like, than they paid in. Similarly, those in the second quintile paid minus-4.3 percent of the total federal income tax burden — so they, too, weren’t paying into the income tax till but rather were taking out.

Those in the middle quintile — pretty much the center of the middle class (this quintile had an average income of $44,000) — paid 3.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden (about $1 of every $25 dollars in income taxes paid nationwide). And those in the fourth quintile — whose income ranged from $58,000 to $102,000 — paid 15.1 percent of the total federal income tax burden.

So, all told, the 80 percent of Americans whose income placed them in one of these first four quintiles of income-earners combined to pay 10.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden. Put otherwise, this 80 percent of the citizenry paid about $1 out of every $9 that was paid in federal income taxes nationwide.

Meanwhile, Americans in the highest 0.1 percent of all income-earners — these are the very rich, with incomes of at least $1.974 million — paid 16.4 percent of the total federal tax burden. Essentially, one out of every $6 paid in federal income tax was paid by this 0.1 percent of the citizenry.

In other words, the top 0.1 percent paid more toward the workings of government than the bottom 80 percent did. That’s despite the fact that the bottom 80 percent collectively made more than six times as much money as the top 0.1 percent did."


A flat tax would not put a higher burden on the wealthiest, but it can be implemented in such a way, that like Paul's plan, that it would have zero impact on the lower classes other than eliminate their tax subsidy.

And are you asking which regulations impact/restrict businesses? Wow, I am not sure where to start. EPA regs are often arbitrary and in no way ever intended by the authors of the original bills, though no one pays any attention to such things any more. OSHA regs are also often capricious and used to shut down smaller businesses to eliminate more efficient competition for corporations.

Predictable. Nothing if not predictable.

The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was making us believe they pay all the taxes

And....your pablum regarding anti business regulations is weak. I have asked for specifics. What specific regulations kill businesses?

1. No I did not say that the rich pay all the taxes, but only that they pay a higher percentage, over all, than lower classes of American earners, and that was proven. Then you respond to my veracity by ridiculing me for being predictable; well I hope I can be predictably right. You should try it sometime.

2. You characterize my response on regulations as if you have never heard of the growth of business regulations by the federal government and then demand specifics, despite having not responded to any of the specifics I have given prior in the thread. Why should I go through the trouble of getting you more specifics when you obviously couldn't give a shit anyway?

Go find someone else to chase your wild geese, dude.

Once again.....you don't deviate from the standard cherry-picking of data. You have not proven that the burden falls on the wealthy.....and you haven't addressed the fact that the wealthy are the beneficiaries of most of the spending that the government does. It is a nuanced position that evades you.

Regulations!!!!! Regulations are killing businesses and costing our economy!!! I can't tell you which ones though.....its COMMON SENSE!! Everyone knows.

 

[JimBowie1958]

My personal ideal economic policy would have the tax burden carried by the wealthiest Americans, as it mostly is now with some significant exceptions. But the tax code could be seriously simplified and should be. I like Rand Paul's flat tax, and Trump's proposed use of tariffs to encourage fair trade as opposed to free trade. Any changes would have to avoid increasing the tax burden on the lower 50% of income earners. NAFTA, GAT, and the TPP do not advocate fair trade at all and are chiefly formed with the interest of international trading corporations in mind rather than the good of the American people which are two very different things. We can stimulate economic growth by reducing regulatory burdens using sunset laws and regulatory review to simplify the regulations our nation has to abide by. One shouldn't have to have lawyers on retainer to do business in the US. I personally would like to fold the Social Security and Medicaire taxes into the general budget and make the only tax deduction for businesses and corporations a deduction of 20% of their US citizens pay.

Paul is in favor of a flat tax (14.5% for income over $50k, remove Socsec and medicair taxes too) and free trade, and wants smaller government with fewer regulations that are slowing the economy. He hits the right notes, IMO, on civil liberties, transparency in government and responsible use of American power overseas. He voted against the TPA and the TPP. I do not like his thick skinned approach to refusing to help those in need, but he does support things being done in this respect at the state and local level where he thinks it belongs, a subsidiarity principle. Paul's flat tax would also keep deductions for charitable donations and interest on primary residence.
Sen. Rand Paul to Unveil 14.5 Percent Flat Tax for All

Cruz is in favor of a flat tax (??%) and free trade, and he wants to dismantle the IRS. He is an ideological 'Chamber of Commerce' conservative down the line. While I don't agree with many of his ideas, I think he could serve as a balancing antidote to the Obama regime's policies.

Carson supports a flat tax (10%, keep socsec and medicare taxes, I believe) and shrinking the federal government in real numbers and freezing new entitlement programs. He also wants to make it more difficult to receive welfare. He is in favor of raising the minimum wage, opposed TPP and favors using tariffs to protect American jobs. I like his ideas but I suspect that they are somewhat naïve.

Hucklebee has a poor record on controlling spending and he has also raised taxes in numerous ways in Arkansas as governor there, but he has had a fairly humane approach to helping the poor and unfortunate with government programs. He is more of a 1968 style liberal than a conservative. He has supported raising tariffs, supports lower taxes (replacing income tax with a sales tax), protecting American jobs and supports fair trade instead of free trade and an increase in minimum wage. He is also a 'soft' environmentalist and wants to morally revive our nation.

Trump has a better tax plan, IMO, than most(except Paul's) but his approach to international trade I love the most. He would have a 1% tax for incomes under $30k, 5% for income between $30k and $100k, a 10% rate on income between $100k and $1 million, then 15% above $1 million. He has criticized most flat tax proposals as hard on the poor and working class, which most are. He would keep Socsec and medicare taxes as they currently are, I believe, leaving Paul's tax plan cheaper on the lower classes. He favors the use of tariffs to encourage companies to remain or locate to the US. He does want to lower corporate tax rates and supports fair trade instead of free trade, in effect. And while Trump has been critical of Citizens Untied money in the political process, that doesn't mean he is necessarily against it as are most rank and file Republicans. Poll Finds 80% Of REPUBLICANS Agree With Bernie Sanders On Citizens United

Jim Webb is a fair trader and was similar to Lieberman and others in the Democratic party who support lower taxes on the middle class but he is not in favor of a flat tax. James Webb on the Issues

Sanders is a socialist who favors fair trade, but would increase government regulation. Of the candidates I would even consider voting for he has the lowest marks, but would be good on fair trade and middle class interests. I love his hostility to Wall Street Casino economics and his priority of strengthening the social safety net. He is not a gun confiscating Nazi, unlike many Democrats. Bernie Sanders on Gun Control

You think the wealthiest are carrying the tax burden now?

You think a flat tax will put the burden on the wealthiest?

What regulations?

Top 0.1 Percent Pays More Income Tax than Bottom 80 Percent

"In 2010, according to the TPC, Americans in the lowest quintile of income-earners — the bottom 20 percent — paid minus-3.8 percent of the total federal income tax burden. In other words, they got more back, in income tax credits and the like, than they paid in. Similarly, those in the second quintile paid minus-4.3 percent of the total federal income tax burden — so they, too, weren’t paying into the income tax till but rather were taking out.

Those in the middle quintile — pretty much the center of the middle class (this quintile had an average income of $44,000) — paid 3.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden (about $1 of every $25 dollars in income taxes paid nationwide). And those in the fourth quintile — whose income ranged from $58,000 to $102,000 — paid 15.1 percent of the total federal income tax burden.

So, all told, the 80 percent of Americans whose income placed them in one of these first four quintiles of income-earners combined to pay 10.9 percent of the total federal income tax burden. Put otherwise, this 80 percent of the citizenry paid about $1 out of every $9 that was paid in federal income taxes nationwide.

Meanwhile, Americans in the highest 0.1 percent of all income-earners — these are the very rich, with incomes of at least $1.974 million — paid 16.4 percent of the total federal tax burden. Essentially, one out of every $6 paid in federal income tax was paid by this 0.1 percent of the citizenry.

In other words, the top 0.1 percent paid more toward the workings of government than the bottom 80 percent did. That’s despite the fact that the bottom 80 percent collectively made more than six times as much money as the top 0.1 percent did."


A flat tax would not put a higher burden on the wealthiest, but it can be implemented in such a way, that like Paul's plan, that it would have zero impact on the lower classes other than eliminate their tax subsidy.

And are you asking which regulations impact/restrict businesses? Wow, I am not sure where to start. EPA regs are often arbitrary and in no way ever intended by the authors of the original bills, though no one pays any attention to such things any more. OSHA regs are also often capricious and used to shut down smaller businesses to eliminate more efficient competition for corporations.

Predictable. Nothing if not predictable.

The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was making us believe they pay all the taxes

And....your pablum regarding anti business regulations is weak. I have asked for specifics. What specific regulations kill businesses?

1. No I did not say that the rich pay all the taxes, but only that they pay a higher percentage, over all, than lower classes of American earners, and that was proven. Then you respond to my veracity by ridiculing me for being predictable; well I hope I can be predictably right. You should try it sometime.

2. You characterize my response on regulations as if you have never heard of the growth of business regulations by the federal government and then demand specifics, despite having not responded to any of the specifics I have given prior in the thread. Why should I go through the trouble of getting you more specifics when you obviously couldn't give a shit anyway?

Go find someone else to chase your wild geese, dude.

Once again.....you don't deviate from the standard cherry-picking of data. You have not proven that the burden falls on the wealthy.....and you haven't addressed the fact that the wealthy are the beneficiaries of most of the spending that the government does. It is a nuanced position that evades you.

Regulations!!!!! Regulations are killing businesses and costing our economy!!! I can't tell you which ones though.....its COMMON SENSE!! Everyone knows.

I have proven that the wealthy have a larger proportionate tax burden as they payer more on sales tax and higher percentage on income tax. If you cant figure that one out then you are an idiot. I am not including Socsec taxes because, in theory, it is not a general budget tax. IT is a pseudo investment for each person individually and the same with Medicare. They should not have caps on the tax, but they do and a flat tax like Pauls would fix that problem as it folds all taxes into one 14.5 % tax rate.

And yes, the regs that are choking business is a fact of the public domain and I am not chasing those geese for you to just ignore the results again like you did on what the candidates are calling for that I also answered.

You are not engaging in honest discussion, you are simply playing the Tar Baby and trying to waste my time.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Give me some regulations, bro. You must know of some.