Trump attorneys guided false electors in Georgia, GOP chair says

[Rigby5]

They didn’t.

We have all seen videos showing vote counting without the legally required observers.
I just doubt there could have been enough in all the polling places for it to have effected the election.
But clearly it is incontrovertible that there was some deliberate polling place fraud.

 

[Marener]

So they ran a conspiracy to follow the law?

Submitting fraudulent elector certificates is not following the law.

 

[Rigby5]

The result is less relevant than the intent. This speaks to their mens rea.

Do you actually think electors are chosen based on their individual belief in the outcome of the election?

Absolutely.
All electors are chosen specifically for their party loyalty.
They are never supposed to deviate from the party line, and are often fined if they ever do act as a "faithless elector".

 

[Rigby5]

In reality most all the electors are selected prior to the election. It is also the reality that you vote for the slate of electors of your chosen candidate. If the GOP won those states, they already had the electors. If there had been a valid legal challenge ongoing at the time of the EC vote Like Hawaii had in it's first election, then, like Nixon did, the VP could be asked to choose. Point is, no party has to appoint new electors.

Correct.
So then the claim that after the election was over, that later someone could try to select and impose a new group of fake electors, is totally and completely impossible.
And when people claim what is impossible, they have to be lying.

 

[Rigby5]

Submitting fraudulent elector certificates is not following the law.

But it clearly did not happen.
It is impossible for anyone to appoint fraudulent electors or try to "submit fraudulent elector certificates", since the state legislature, and anyone with a TV, already knows what the results of the elector votes is supposed to be.

 

[Marener]

Absolutely.
All electors are chosen specifically for their party loyalty.
They are never supposed to deviate from the party line, and are often fined if they ever do act as a "faithless elector".

You misread the question.

Electors are appointed after the election is certified by the state. Trump’s fake electors can feel they won the election but since they weren’t certified by the state, their opinion is irrelevant.

You are not appointed an elector because you think you are an elector.

 

[Marener]

But it clearly did not happen.
It is impossible for anyone to appoint fraudulent electors or try to "submit fraudulent elector certificates", since the state legislature, and anyone with a TV, already knows what the results of the elector votes is supposed to be.

It’s a lot more fraudulent when you realize who they thought counted the electors.

Pence.

So whatever the state legislators or anyone else thought is irrelevant. They thought they’d get recognized because Pence would help them.

Fraud all the way.

 

[Rigby5]

Didn't you hear his phone call to Rathenberger where he asked him to find 11,000 votes? That's a crime!

Nonsense.
Since after the first request for an audit, they found 6000 votes that had been missed, it is not at all unreasonable for Trump to request a total recount.
The point of mentioning 11k votes is to emphasis how close it was, and since recounts frequently change the totals by over 40k, that a recount was warranted.
But Rathenberger refused to do a recount, because they are expensive.
And requesting a recount can never be a crime.

 

[Billo_Really]

I do not like Trump, but I think Biden is even more corrupt, since he was in on the illegal Maidan coup in the Ukraine that murdered tens of thousands and tried to put NATO nukes on Russia's border.
Biden has a bad history of corruption, like his 1994 Federal Crime Bill, better known as the "War on Drugs", with mandatory sentences, asset forfeiture, etc.

That is a bullshit Russian lie!

 

[Rigby5]

You misread the question.

Electors are appointed after the election is certified by the state. Trump’s fake electors can feel they won the election but since they weren’t certified by the state, their opinion is irrelevant.

You are not appointed an elector because you think you are an elector.

WRONG!

Electors are ALWAYS appointed BEFORE the election.
There are always a set of electors for each party, by state law.
Then after the election has been certified by the state, the legislature selects which slate of previously appointed electors get to cast their electoral votes.

Anyone claiming Trump did or even could somehow affect the electors who are appointed by their parties and selected by the state legislature, simply has to be lying.
There is no possible way Trump could have done anything remotely illegal concerning electors.
Everyone knows who is an elector before the election, and everyone knows how the electors have vote after election night.
There is no possible way for anyone to cheat with electors.
That is the dumbest claim I have ever heard.

 

[Rigby5]

It’s a lot more fraudulent when you realize who they thought counted the electors.

Pence.

So whatever the state legislators or anyone else thought is irrelevant. They thought they’d get recognized because Pence would help them.

Fraud all the way.

Wrong.
The VP does NOT count the elector votes.
The vote is counted by a congressional committee, and all the VP does is certify the congressional count.
And the documents sent to congress to count, can not be forged.

{...
Each state and the District of Columbia produces two documents to be forwarded to Congress, a certificate of ascertainment and a certificate of vote. A certificate of ascertainment is an official document that identifies the state's appointed College electors and the tally of the final popular vote count for each candidate in that state[2] in a presidential election;[3][4] the certificate of ascertainment is submitted after an election by the governor of each state to the archivist of the United States[5][6] and others,[7] in accordance with 3 U.S.C. §§ 6–14[8][9] and the Electoral Count Act.[10][11] Within the United States' electoral system, the certificates "[represent] a crucial link between the popular vote and votes cast by electors".[12] The certificates must bear the state seal and the governor's signature. Staff from the Office of the Federal Register ensure that each certificate contains all legally required information.[13] When each state's appointed electors meet to vote (on the first Monday after the second Wednesday of December),[4] they sign and record their vote on a certificate of vote,[9][11] which are then paired with the certificate of ascertainment, which together are sent to be opened and counted by congress.

The 12th Amendment mandates Congress assemble in joint session to count the electoral votes and declare the winners of the election.[15]
...}

 

[Billo_Really]

Nonsense.
Since after the first request for an audit, they found 6000 votes that had been missed, it is not at all unreasonable for Trump to request a total recount.
The point of mentioning 11k votes is to emphasis how close it was, and since recounts frequently change the totals by over 40k, that a recount was warranted.
But Rathenberger refused to do a recount, because they are expensive.
And requesting a recount can never be a crime.

That is interfering in a State election! That is a crime! Holding classified information when you are NOT the President, is a crime! Obstructing a Congressional act, is a crime!

 

[lennypartiv]

Electors are appointed after the election is certified by the state. Trump’s fake electors can feel they won the election but since they weren’t certified by the state, their opinion is irrelevant.

But if the fraudulent votes are thrown out, the replacement electors are the ones who should be there.

 

[Rigby5]

That is a bullshit Russian lie!

Wrong.
Kyiv is full of racist fascists because it is close to Poland and has a majority of descendants of defeated Polish invaders who hate the native ethnic Russians.
It is immoral and illegal for the 2014 coup to have violated the legally government of the Ukraine in 2014.
The government in Kyiv now is not legal nor does it represent the people of the Ukraine, who are historically ethnic Russian.
And the evil nature of the current government in Kyiv is obvious by their treaty violation by trying to join NATO, after their 1992 independence was based on their pledge to NEVER try to join any alliance hostile to Russia.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

That’s why they were the alternative slate.

Not a thing.

 

[Magnus]

So they ran a conspiracy to follow the law?

Sure. The orange douchebag followed the law so faithfully that he has now been indicted just for that. Now, go back to sleep.

 

[Magnus]

That obviously is a lie.
All political parties in all states always pick "alternate" electors ahead of time.
No one waits until after the election results in order to pick electors.
So "alternate" electors for Trump we already legally picked in Georgia, before the election.
Any claims of some weird attempt to interfere with the electors voted in by the people, is so completely impossible that it has to be all lies.

Yeah, the orange douchebag should try that in court. I am sure the judge will let him off.

 

[Rigby5]

That is interfering in a State election! That is a crime! Holding classified information when you are NOT the President, is a crime! Obstructing a Congressional act, is a crime!

Wrong.
The phone call was public and legal, and only requested a recount.
What is illegal is NOT doing the requested recount, since that is required by law.

And all the laws on classified docs clearly give presidents complete and arbitrary authority to do whatever they want with them, including giving themselves permanent copies, like the permanent copies they can give to allies, labs, ambassadors, generals, etc.
No one has to return the copies given to them.
No one ever does.
And both NARA and the public records acts are satisfied by the originals held by the CIA, FBI, Pentagon, etc., and they have no claim to presidential copies.
The Constitution gives full authority over classified docs to the president, "to conduct diplomacy", and Congress gets no say at all.

 

[Rigby5]

But if the fraudulent votes are thrown out, the replacement electors are the ones who should be there.

Yes, but only if the state legislature decides that way.
Which totally prevents any possible elector fraud as claimed by those attacking Trump.

 

[lennypartiv]

That is interfering in a State election! That is a crime! Holding classified information when you are NOT the President, is a crime! Obstructing a Congressional act, is a crime!

Trump knew there was voter fraud in Georgia when they had the phony water main break. Being a red state, he knew he was the real winner in Georgia. He was merely asking for votes to balance out the fraudulent votes.