Those "Poor" Doctors

[Mr. Shaman]

"Physicians are having to make really gut-wrenching decisions about whether they can afford to see as many Medicare patients," said Cecil Wilson, president of the American Medical Association.

But statistics also suggest many doctors have more than made up for the erosion in the value of their Medicare fees by dramatically increasing the volume of services they provide - performing not just a greater number of tests and procedures, but also more complex versions that allow them to charge Medicare more money.

From 2000 to 2008, the volume of services per Medicare patient rose 42 percent. Some of this was because of the increasing availability of sophisticated treatments that undoubtedly save lives. Some was because of doctors practicing "defensive medicine" - ordering every conceivable test to shield themselves from malpractice lawsuits down the line.

A review of physicians' incomes suggests that specialists - who have more opportunities to increase the volume of the services they offer than primary-care doctors - reaped most of the benefit.

On average, primary-care doctors make about $190,000 a year, kidney specialists $300,000, and radiologists close to $500,000, figures that reflect the income doctors receive from both Medicare and non-Medicare patients. The disparity has prompted concern that Medicare is contributing to a growing shortage of primary doctors.

Still, even if primary-care doctors had to rely exclusively on Medicare's lower payment rates their incomes would only drop about 9 percent, according to a recent study co-authored by Berenson, who is also a fellow at the non-partisan Urban Institute.

"The argument that doctors literally can't afford to feed their kids [if they take Medicare's rates] is absurd," said Berenson. "It's just that doctors have gotten used to a certain income and lifestyle."

Maybe the whining-doctors need to consider career-changes....to WALL $TREET.....and, make-ROOM for REAL-doctors!!!!!

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[geauxtohell]

"Physicians are having to make really gut-wrenching decisions about whether they can afford to see as many Medicare patients," said Cecil Wilson, president of the American Medical Association.

But statistics also suggest many doctors have more than made up for the erosion in the value of their Medicare fees by dramatically increasing the volume of services they provide - performing not just a greater number of tests and procedures, but also more complex versions that allow them to charge Medicare more money.

From 2000 to 2008, the volume of services per Medicare patient rose 42 percent. Some of this was because of the increasing availability of sophisticated treatments that undoubtedly save lives. Some was because of doctors practicing "defensive medicine" - ordering every conceivable test to shield themselves from malpractice lawsuits down the line.

A review of physicians' incomes suggests that specialists - who have more opportunities to increase the volume of the services they offer than primary-care doctors - reaped most of the benefit.

On average, primary-care doctors make about $190,000 a year, kidney specialists $300,000, and radiologists close to $500,000, figures that reflect the income doctors receive from both Medicare and non-Medicare patients. The disparity has prompted concern that Medicare is contributing to a growing shortage of primary doctors.

Still, even if primary-care doctors had to rely exclusively on Medicare's lower payment rates their incomes would only drop about 9 percent, according to a recent study co-authored by Berenson, who is also a fellow at the non-partisan Urban Institute.

"The argument that doctors literally can't afford to feed their kids [if they take Medicare's rates] is absurd," said Berenson. "It's just that doctors have gotten used to a certain income and lifestyle."

Maybe the whining-doctors need to consider career-changes....to WALL $TREET.....and, make-ROOM for REAL-doctors!!!!!

​

Throwing Doctors under the bus is about the most idiotic direction people can take in the health care debate.

Americans seem to be offended that physicians, who train for at least 12 years after high school and incur close to $200,000 in debt, make a decent income.

If you don't compensate highly skilled labor, regardless of vocation, then you get sub-par results.

In other words, do you really want a person with the same degree of motivation as a burger flipper in McDs removing your gallbladder?

 

[Madeline]

Well, yes, there's a whole lot of upcoding that goes on. But it isn't realistic to expect a person with the talent to be a doctor to incur $500,000 in student loan debt, carry the cost of an office and not make a decent income. That just is not human nature.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Bit of dishonest reporting here. Income as receipts for services (which includes is a gross number, businesswise) out of which comes office rent, salaries for staff and other business related costs is confused with net income which gets spent on swimming pools, german cars and golf.

Doctors put in 20 hour days while they were in school, learned a very hard skill, and are fulfill a dire need. they should get compensated for what the do, what they went through ,and their skill set.

Ragging on doctors and their net incomes as an excuse to rob them of the fruits of their labor shows what kind of itsy bitsy teeny weeny shriveled little soul you are.

For what they do, they are entitled to live high.

 

[Mr Natural]

Doctors earn and deserve every penny they get.

It's hard and sometimes disgusting work and they should be very well compensated for it.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

 

[geauxtohell]

Bit of dishonest reporting here. Income as receipts for services (which includes is a gross number, businesswise) out of which comes office rent, salaries for staff and other business related costs is confused with net income which gets spent on swimming pools, german cars and golf.

Doctors put in 20 hour days while they were in school, learned a very hard skill, and are fulfill a dire need. they should get compensated for what the do, what they went through ,and their skill set.

Ragging on doctors and their net incomes as an excuse to rob them of the fruits of their labor shows what kind of itsy bitsy teeny weeny shriveled little soul you are.

For what they do, they are entitled to live high.

Moreso: Primary Care Physicians (Family Practice, General Internists and Pediatricians, etc) are the ones that really get screwed over when Medicaid re-imbursements are monkeyed with.

 

[thereisnospoon]

"Physicians are having to make really gut-wrenching decisions about whether they can afford to see as many Medicare patients," said Cecil Wilson, president of the American Medical Association.

But statistics also suggest many doctors have more than made up for the erosion in the value of their Medicare fees by dramatically increasing the volume of services they provide - performing not just a greater number of tests and procedures, but also more complex versions that allow them to charge Medicare more money.

From 2000 to 2008, the volume of services per Medicare patient rose 42 percent. Some of this was because of the increasing availability of sophisticated treatments that undoubtedly save lives. Some was because of doctors practicing "defensive medicine" - ordering every conceivable test to shield themselves from malpractice lawsuits down the line.

A review of physicians' incomes suggests that specialists - who have more opportunities to increase the volume of the services they offer than primary-care doctors - reaped most of the benefit.

On average, primary-care doctors make about $190,000 a year, kidney specialists $300,000, and radiologists close to $500,000, figures that reflect the income doctors receive from both Medicare and non-Medicare patients. The disparity has prompted concern that Medicare is contributing to a growing shortage of primary doctors.

Still, even if primary-care doctors had to rely exclusively on Medicare's lower payment rates their incomes would only drop about 9 percent, according to a recent study co-authored by Berenson, who is also a fellow at the non-partisan Urban Institute.

"The argument that doctors literally can't afford to feed their kids [if they take Medicare's rates] is absurd," said Berenson. "It's just that doctors have gotten used to a certain income and lifestyle."

Maybe the whining-doctors need to consider career-changes....to WALL $TREET.....and, make-ROOM for REAL-doctors!!!!!

​

How little you know.
Try doing a little research then spew your class envy bullshit.

 

[geauxtohell]

Doctors earn and deserve every penny they get.

It's hard and sometimes disgusting work and they should be very well compensated for it.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

On that note, back to studying.

Did I get to spend Thanksgiving with my family? No.

 

[boedicca]

Bit of dishonest reporting here. Income as receipts for services (which includes is a gross number, businesswise) out of which comes office rent, salaries for staff and other business related costs is confused with net income which gets spent on swimming pools, german cars and golf.

Doctors put in 20 hour days while they were in school, learned a very hard skill, and are fulfill a dire need. they should get compensated for what the do, what they went through ,and their skill set.

Ragging on doctors and their net incomes as an excuse to rob them of the fruits of their labor shows what kind of itsy bitsy teeny weeny shriveled little soul you are.

For what they do, they are entitled to live high.

And don't forget the exhorbitant cost of malpractice insurance, all for the good cause of making politically favored trial lawyers far richer than the doctors they blackmail.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"Physicians are having to make really gut-wrenching decisions about whether they can afford to see as many Medicare patients," said Cecil Wilson, president of the American Medical Association.

But statistics also suggest many doctors have more than made up for the erosion in the value of their Medicare fees by dramatically increasing the volume of services they provide - performing not just a greater number of tests and procedures, but also more complex versions that allow them to charge Medicare more money.

From 2000 to 2008, the volume of services per Medicare patient rose 42 percent. Some of this was because of the increasing availability of sophisticated treatments that undoubtedly save lives. Some was because of doctors practicing "defensive medicine" - ordering every conceivable test to shield themselves from malpractice lawsuits down the line.

A review of physicians' incomes suggests that specialists - who have more opportunities to increase the volume of the services they offer than primary-care doctors - reaped most of the benefit.

On average, primary-care doctors make about $190,000 a year, kidney specialists $300,000, and radiologists close to $500,000, figures that reflect the income doctors receive from both Medicare and non-Medicare patients. The disparity has prompted concern that Medicare is contributing to a growing shortage of primary doctors.

Still, even if primary-care doctors had to rely exclusively on Medicare's lower payment rates their incomes would only drop about 9 percent, according to a recent study co-authored by Berenson, who is also a fellow at the non-partisan Urban Institute.

"The argument that doctors literally can't afford to feed their kids [if they take Medicare's rates] is absurd," said Berenson. "It's just that doctors have gotten used to a certain income and lifestyle."

Maybe the whining-doctors need to consider career-changes....to WALL $TREET.....and, make-ROOM for REAL-doctors!!!!!

​

Throwing Doctors under the bus is about the most idiotic direction people can take in the health care debate.

Yeah.....when the choices are....expecting doctor$ to absorb a 9%-cut (in income)....or, average-Americans absorbing a 10%-cut (or, a cut-back in hours).....the choice is obvious.

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[The T]

Bit of dishonest reporting here. Income as receipts for services (which includes is a gross number, businesswise) out of which comes office rent, salaries for staff and other business related costs is confused with net income which gets spent on swimming pools, german cars and golf.

Doctors put in 20 hour days while they were in school, learned a very hard skill, and are fulfill a dire need. they should get compensated for what the do, what they went through ,and their skill set.

Ragging on doctors and their net incomes as an excuse to rob them of the fruits of their labor shows what kind of itsy bitsy teeny weeny shriveled little soul you are.

For what they do, they are entitled to live high.

Board rules prohibit REP at this time.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"Physicians are having to make really gut-wrenching decisions about whether they can afford to see as many Medicare patients," said Cecil Wilson, president of the American Medical Association.

But statistics also suggest many doctors have more than made up for the erosion in the value of their Medicare fees by dramatically increasing the volume of services they provide - performing not just a greater number of tests and procedures, but also more complex versions that allow them to charge Medicare more money.

From 2000 to 2008, the volume of services per Medicare patient rose 42 percent. Some of this was because of the increasing availability of sophisticated treatments that undoubtedly save lives. Some was because of doctors practicing "defensive medicine" - ordering every conceivable test to shield themselves from malpractice lawsuits down the line.

A review of physicians' incomes suggests that specialists - who have more opportunities to increase the volume of the services they offer than primary-care doctors - reaped most of the benefit.

On average, primary-care doctors make about $190,000 a year, kidney specialists $300,000, and radiologists close to $500,000, figures that reflect the income doctors receive from both Medicare and non-Medicare patients. The disparity has prompted concern that Medicare is contributing to a growing shortage of primary doctors.

Still, even if primary-care doctors had to rely exclusively on Medicare's lower payment rates their incomes would only drop about 9 percent, according to a recent study co-authored by Berenson, who is also a fellow at the non-partisan Urban Institute.

"The argument that doctors literally can't afford to feed their kids [if they take Medicare's rates] is absurd," said Berenson. "It's just that doctors have gotten used to a certain income and lifestyle."

Maybe the whining-doctors need to consider career-changes....to WALL $TREET.....and, make-ROOM for REAL-doctors!!!!!

​

How little you know.
Try doing a little research then spew your class envy bullshit.

I've already done mine....and, you punked-out.

​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Doctors earn and deserve every penny they get.

It's hard and sometimes disgusting work and they should be very well compensated for it.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

On that note, back to studying.

Did I get to spend Thanksgiving with my family? No.

....And, you were forced-into your present-situation????

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[Mr. Shaman]

Bit of dishonest reporting here. Income as receipts for services (which includes is a gross number, businesswise) out of which comes office rent, salaries for staff and other business related costs is confused with net income which gets spent on swimming pools, german cars and golf.

Doctors put in 20 hour days while they were in school, learned a very hard skill, and are fulfill a dire need. they should get compensated for what the do, what they went through ,and their skill set.

Ragging on doctors and their net incomes as an excuse to rob them of the fruits of their labor shows what kind of itsy bitsy teeny weeny shriveled little soul you are.

For what they do, they are entitled to live high.

And don't forget the exhorbitant cost of malpractice insurance, all for the good cause of making politically favored trial lawyers far richer than the doctors they blackmail.

You Bimbos need to do a better job o' detecting imbeded-links.

LINK​

 

[The T]

Doctors earn and deserve every penny they get.

It's hard and sometimes disgusting work and they should be very well compensated for it.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

Next up in the discourse that was never discussed in Obamacare is TORT REFORM.

 

[blu]

Bit of dishonest reporting here. Income as receipts for services (which includes is a gross number, businesswise) out of which comes office rent, salaries for staff and other business related costs is confused with net income which gets spent on swimming pools, german cars and golf.

Doctors put in 20 hour days while they were in school, learned a very hard skill, and are fulfill a dire need. they should get compensated for what the do, what they went through ,and their skill set.

Ragging on doctors and their net incomes as an excuse to rob them of the fruits of their labor shows what kind of itsy bitsy teeny weeny shriveled little soul you are.

For what they do, they are entitled to live high.

And don't forget the exhorbitant cost of malpractice insurance, all for the good cause of making politically favored trial lawyers far richer than the doctors they blackmail.

derp derp tort reform red herring alert

 

[boedicca]

Moronic comment from the idiot above alert.

 

[blu]

Doctors earn and deserve every penny they get.

It's hard and sometimes disgusting work and they should be very well compensated for it.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

Next up in the discourse that was never discussed in Obamacare is TORT REFORM.

as a proclaimed small government Conservative how the fuck can you support letting the government decide how much people's lawsutis are worth?

you want an unconstitutional action to save 1% of medical spending

 

[blu]

Moronic comment from the idiot above alert.

yea lets pass an unconstitutional law to save 1% of medical spending

 

[Mr Natural]

Doctors earn and deserve every penny they get.

It's hard and sometimes disgusting work and they should be very well compensated for it.

And anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong.

Next up in the discourse that was never discussed in Obamacare is TORT REFORM.

By Tort Reform you mean putting a cap on a court ordered settlement?

OK then, what should the limit be for a doctor who fucks up?