This is why we have gun crime, criminal gets 4 years for gun crime, not 30-life.

[2aguy]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

 

[Disir]

I agree with this.

 

[jon_berzerk]

put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life

that should happen to any violent criminal regardless of weapon used

 

[Baz Ares]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

But Gun Nutters tell me guns are just tools. So all armed assaults should be the same.
From using hands, knives, bats, rocks, or a pencil like in the movie, John Wick.


DANG!



Dang, you Gun Nutters need to make sense your BS on sentencings on crimes.

 

[2aguy]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

But Gun Nutters tell me guns are just tools. So all armed assaults should be the same.
From using hands, knives, bats, rocks, or a pencil like in the movie, John Wick.


DANG!



Dang, you Gun Nutters need to make sense your BS on sentencings on crimes.

Yep....any attempted murder should be treated as murder.......the point is that anti gunners want to make it harder on law abiding gun owners to have guns......law abiding gun owners are not using their guns for crime.

Then, when actual criminals use guns for actual crimes.....the anti gunners oppose putting those violent, dangerous criminals in jail for 30-life.

The Japanese have stopped their criminal class from using guns by imposing long prison sentences for gun crimes and for criminals simply caught with guns......if anti gunners really cared about gun crime, they would actually focus on criminals. Since they don't, it is obvious they just hate people who want to legally own guns.

 

[Slyhunter]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

This case doesn't warrant 30 years.
If you gave every gun crime 30 years there would be no reason for them to not kill all the witnesses.

 

[Nia88]

Putting criminals away for 30 years won't solve the issue. Many mass shooters in America have a clean record and purchased guns and ammo legally.

These mass shootings weren't committed by people who have a record of gun violence.

There is a solution to the problem, but right winger's do not want to hear it.

 

[Nia88]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

But Gun Nutters tell me guns are just tools. So all armed assaults should be the same.
From using hands, knives, bats, rocks, or a pencil like in the movie, John Wick.


DANG!



Dang, you Gun Nutters need to make sense your BS on sentencings on crimes.

Yep....any attempted murder should be treated as murder.......the point is that anti gunners want to make it harder on law abiding gun owners to have guns......law abiding gun owners are not using their guns for crime.

Then, when actual criminals use guns for actual crimes.....the anti gunners oppose putting those violent, dangerous criminals in jail for 30-life.

The Japanese have stopped their criminal class from using guns by imposing long prison sentences for gun crimes and for criminals simply caught with guns......if anti gunners really cared about gun crime, they would actually focus on criminals. Since they don't, it is obvious they just hate people who want to legally own guns.

Japan also has a stricter gun licensing procedure. Their laws are extremely strict. Their gun laws are no where near as free as ours.

 

[Disir]

But, this guy did have a criminal record. In fact, he was on probation when he committed this crime.

 

[JoeB131]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

Okay. He didn't kill anyone or hurt anyone. He just had a gun.

Considering how overcrowded our prisons are, I think 4 years is too much.

One more time, buddy, we lock up 2 milllion people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole.

Locking them up isn't going to solve the problem. Taking away the guns will.

The rest of the world has ALREADY FIGURED THIS OUT!

 

[JoeB131]

The Japanese have stopped their criminal class from using guns by imposing long prison sentences for gun crimes and for criminals simply caught with guns......if anti gunners really cared about gun crime, they would actually focus on criminals. Since they don't, it is obvious they just hate people who want to legally own guns.

They've also banned ANYONE from owing guns to start with... that's the thing.

Japan only locks up 69,000 people out of a population of 110,000,000.

We lock up 2 million people out of 300 Million.

They have only 11 gun homicides a year compared to our 11,000. (no, I don't want to hear your BS FBI stats)

Clearly, "banning guns" works better than "Locking some brown person up for being a brown person".

 

[Disir]

Pretty sure someone owned that stolen vehicle.

 

[2aguy]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

This case doesn't warrant 30 years.
If you gave every gun crime 30 years there would be no reason for them to not kill all the witnesses.

This is how Japan keeps the Yakuza from killing each other in gang wars......this is how you make criminals who ignore the law turn from guns to knives.....they aren't all stupid, impulse control issue morons......they can rape, murder and steal with less lethal weapons...leaving guns for their victims......

If you want to stop gun crime, you have to increase sentences for gun criminals.....as the end fix. The other side.....you have to address single teenage mothers raising young males....the feeding mechanism for criminals....

 

[2aguy]

Putting criminals away for 30 years won't solve the issue. Many mass shooters in America have a clean record and purchased guns and ammo legally.

These mass shootings weren't committed by people who have a record of gun violence.

There is a solution to the problem, but right winger's do not want to hear it.

we have heard your solutions and they aren't solutions...background checks, gun registration, magazine limits, licensing gun owners...are all ignored by criminals.....

You don't want to stop gun crime, you want to keep normal people from owning and carrying guns...your focus is a failure.....locking up criminals actually works.

Mass shootings are not even an issue...each year there are about 10,000 gun murders in the United States.....of those 70-80% of the victims are actual criminals, not innocent people...

Mass public shooting deaths...even with 2017 as the most violent.....are not an issue that your gun control laws will effect...no matter what you try to do....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[2aguy]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

But Gun Nutters tell me guns are just tools. So all armed assaults should be the same.
From using hands, knives, bats, rocks, or a pencil like in the movie, John Wick.


DANG!



Dang, you Gun Nutters need to make sense your BS on sentencings on crimes.

Yep....any attempted murder should be treated as murder.......the point is that anti gunners want to make it harder on law abiding gun owners to have guns......law abiding gun owners are not using their guns for crime.

Then, when actual criminals use guns for actual crimes.....the anti gunners oppose putting those violent, dangerous criminals in jail for 30-life.

The Japanese have stopped their criminal class from using guns by imposing long prison sentences for gun crimes and for criminals simply caught with guns......if anti gunners really cared about gun crime, they would actually focus on criminals. Since they don't, it is obvious they just hate people who want to legally own guns.

Japan also has a stricter gun licensing procedure. Their laws are extremely strict. Their gun laws are no where near as free as ours.

You have no idea what you are talking about with Japan....their gun control laws have nothing to do with their low gun crime rate...the Yakuza focuses on making money and has a very strict command structure, and yet, they used to go to war every once in a while and had no problem using guns and grenades to murder each other.....the last war was in 2006 and lasted 7 years....the latest conflict didn't turn into a blood bath....why? Because the Japanese implemented long prison sentences against criminals using guns, and ....the most important part....simply caught in possession of a gun...that is what keeps their gun crime rate low....

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

 

[2aguy]

The Japanese have stopped their criminal class from using guns by imposing long prison sentences for gun crimes and for criminals simply caught with guns......if anti gunners really cared about gun crime, they would actually focus on criminals. Since they don't, it is obvious they just hate people who want to legally own guns.

They've also banned ANYONE from owing guns to start with... that's the thing.

Japan only locks up 69,000 people out of a population of 110,000,000.

We lock up 2 million people out of 300 Million.

They have only 11 gun homicides a year compared to our 11,000. (no, I don't want to hear your BS FBI stats)

Clearly, "banning guns" works better than "Locking some brown person up for being a brown person".

No...dumb shit.....you have seen this information....you ignore it because it shows that gun control has nothing to do with the low level of all crime in Japan...it is their culture and their virtual police state that does it....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't.

A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.

 

[2aguy]

The way you stop gun crime is to put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life.....right now, democrats keep releasing these monsters back onto our streets...

Carlsbad man sentenced to 4 years for federal firearm violations

A Carlsbad man, who was prosecuted under the federal “Worst of the Worst” Anti-Violence Initiative, was sentenced in federal court in Las Cruces to four years and nine months in prison for violating federal firearm laws.

After his release, Nathaniel Madrid, 40, will be supervised for three years, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

In April 2016, Madrid was arrested on a criminal complaint charging him with being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, and possession of a firearm not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer.

Okay. He didn't kill anyone or hurt anyone. He just had a gun.

Considering how overcrowded our prisons are, I think 4 years is too much.

One more time, buddy, we lock up 2 milllion people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole.

Locking them up isn't going to solve the problem. Taking away the guns will.

The rest of the world has ALREADY FIGURED THIS OUT!

Dumb shit...you aren't serious about stopping gun crime, you are obsessed with normal people owning and carrying guns...the people who aren't murdering anyone...

And you are the reason we can't get a handle on our criminals who keep using guns to murder other criminals...

 

[Circe]

put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life

that should happen to any violent criminal regardless of weapon used

I can't agree ---- the way to stop violent crime actually is to put them on trial quickly and execute them immediately upon conviction. This would stop violent crime not by caging people at great expense for decades, which is pointless, but by eliminating the criminals. This was normal practice in most countries within living memory.

I'm not interested in deterrence. That's not the point. The point is getting rid of the violent criminals. And cleaning up the gene pool. That's what sensible countries always did, forever and ever, before very recently when this prison business started up.

There was some deportation -- banishment -- from the 1500s on --- African slaves were sold by the local chieftains because they were criminals, insane, or defeated enemies. Of course the British famously sent criminals to Georgia and Australia and Tasmania. Before that, criminals were executed for most crimes, notably for stealing anything with a value more than a turkey, I read in a Tudor history (about 1525). They had turkeys from North America so early in England? Who'da thought.

Development of the giant prisons was a late development and not a good one. The rule is very simple: Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. The world is grossly overpopulated: people who cannot manage these simple rules should be eliminated, toward the great improvement of life for all the rest of us.

 

[Vastator]

put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life

that should happen to any violent criminal regardless of weapon used

I can't agree ---- the way to stop violent crime actually is to put them on trial quickly and execute them immediately upon conviction. This would stop violent crime not by caging people at great expense for decades, which is pointless, but by eliminating the criminals. This was normal practice in most countries within living memory.

I'm not interested in deterrence. That's not the point. The point is getting rid of the violent criminals. And cleaning up the gene pool. That's what sensible countries always did, forever and ever, before very recently when this prison business started up.

There was some deportation -- banishment -- from the 1500s on --- African slaves were sold by the local chieftains because they were criminals, insane, or defeated enemies. Of course the British famously sent criminals to Georgia and Australia and Tasmania. Before that, criminals were executed for most crimes, notably for stealing anything with a value more than a turkey, I read in a Tudor history (about 1525). They had turkeys from North America so early in England? Who'da thought.

Development of the giant prisons was a late development and not a good one. The rule is very simple: Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. The world is grossly overpopulated: people who cannot manage these simple rules should be eliminated, toward the great improvement of life for all the rest of us.

I’d agree with this for the most part. However I would add that once a convicted individual has served the sentence handed down by the courts, ALL rights should be restored. The current method of relegating those punished to “second class citizens”, even after serving their sentence is not only counter productive; it violates the spirit of protection against “cruel, and unusual punishment.”

 

[2aguy]

put actual criminals who use guns to rape, rob and murder in jail for 30 years to life

that should happen to any violent criminal regardless of weapon used

I can't agree ---- the way to stop violent crime actually is to put them on trial quickly and execute them immediately upon conviction. This would stop violent crime not by caging people at great expense for decades, which is pointless, but by eliminating the criminals. This was normal practice in most countries within living memory.

I'm not interested in deterrence. That's not the point. The point is getting rid of the violent criminals. And cleaning up the gene pool. That's what sensible countries always did, forever and ever, before very recently when this prison business started up.

There was some deportation -- banishment -- from the 1500s on --- African slaves were sold by the local chieftains because they were criminals, insane, or defeated enemies. Of course the British famously sent criminals to Georgia and Australia and Tasmania. Before that, criminals were executed for most crimes, notably for stealing anything with a value more than a turkey, I read in a Tudor history (about 1525). They had turkeys from North America so early in England? Who'da thought.

Development of the giant prisons was a late development and not a good one. The rule is very simple: Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. The world is grossly overpopulated: people who cannot manage these simple rules should be eliminated, toward the great improvement of life for all the rest of us.

I’d agree with this for the most part. However I would add that once a convicted individual has served the sentence handed down by the courts, ALL rights should be restored. The current method of relegating those punished to “second class citizens”, even after serving their sentence is not only counter productive; it violates the spirit of protection against “cruel, and unusual punishment.”

I could go along with this, if we had long prison sentences for gun crimes.....just like Japan....that is the greatest deterrent to future criminality...though rape should be a life sentence and murder should be the death penalty...