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But, despite them and you, that's exactly what DID happen, Abolition and the end of slavery in America. Ever hear of unintended consequences ? Who knows what lurks in the subconscious minds of people that have been dead over 150 years. Certainly not you. But slavery ended because white people died to end it. Why are you so threated by that? Facts are facts.Oy vey, not this again. IM2 contends that...for starters, many northern whites didn't fight the rebels to end slavery. That may be true, Lincoln himself was conflicted on slavery. But IM2 is not seeing the forest for the trees here, regardless of the intent of the federal government, the effect was the TOTAL and absolute abolition of slavery. And with that, There isn't much else to add.
I see fine. The fact is that whites did not fight to free blacks from slavery.
We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.
New York City draft riots
The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]
Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]
The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]
The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.
New York City draft riots - Wikipedia
The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.
Wrong.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.
We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.
New York City draft riots
The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]
Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]
The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]
The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.
New York City draft riots - Wikipedia
The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.
Wrong.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.
He is a mentally ill race baitor , a one trick pony..
We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.
New York City draft riots
The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]
Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]
The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]
The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.
New York City draft riots - Wikipedia
The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.
Wrong.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.
He is a mentally ill race baitor , a one trick pony..
That would be you.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.
Wrong.
He is a mentally ill race baitor , a one trick pony..
That would be you.
I wonder if you even are black.
Probably another white pretending to be black.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.Wrong.
He is a mentally ill race baitor , a one trick pony..
That would be you.
I wonder if you even are black.
Probably another white pretending to be black.
Another dumb ass white who actually can't believe there are blacks who can't stand white racism.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.
He is a mentally ill race baitor , a one trick pony..
That would be you.
I wonder if you even are black.
Probably another white pretending to be black.
Another dumb ass white who actually can't believe there are blacks who can't stand white racism.
Youre white...
We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.
New York City draft riots
The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]
Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]
The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]
The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.
New York City draft riots - Wikipedia
The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.
Wrong.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.
Why? He missed the entire point. I'm the OP here and this thread is about the lie of whites claiming how whites died to free us from slavery. As the video shows ad states, northern whites didn't fight to free the slaves and damn sure southern whites didn't. So then the claim that whites died to free us is a lie.
Are you talking to a mirror?You just don't know your own history. Pity.If it wasn't about slavery, nobody would have freed them.If the Civil War wasn't partly about freeing the slaves then why were they freed?
Seriously? The intent was to cripple the souths economic system, and force them back into the union.
Which is why the emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves who were in the confederate states.
If the most potent leverage to use against the confederacy happened to be the role of slavery in heir economy, it is obvious that slavery would be what would be attacked.
You have not read much about what led to the Civil War?
It's bad form to promote your ignorance publicly.
It sounds like you never progressed beyond elementary school history topics.
Are you talking to a mirror?You just don't know your own history. Pity.If it wasn't about slavery, nobody would have freed them.Seriously? The intent was to cripple the souths economic system, and force them back into the union.
Which is why the emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves who were in the confederate states.
If the most potent leverage to use against the confederacy happened to be the role of slavery in heir economy, it is obvious that slavery would be what would be attacked.
You have not read much about what led to the Civil War?
It's bad form to promote your ignorance publicly.
It sounds like you never progressed beyond elementary school history topics.
We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.
New York City draft riots
The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]
Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]
The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]
The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.
New York City draft riots - Wikipedia
The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.
Wrong.
Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.
Why? He missed the entire point. I'm the OP here and this thread is about the lie of whites claiming how whites died to free us from slavery. As the video shows ad states, northern whites didn't fight to free the slaves and damn sure southern whites didn't. So then the claim that whites died to free us is a lie.
if the Union cause was to restore the union and not free the slaves then the southern cause was to secede from the union and not slavery
you can,t have it both ways OP
Are you talking to a mirror?You just don't know your own history. Pity.If it wasn't about slavery, nobody would have freed them.
If the most potent leverage to use against the confederacy happened to be the role of slavery in heir economy, it is obvious that slavery would be what would be attacked.
You have not read much about what led to the Civil War?
It's bad form to promote your ignorance publicly.
It sounds like you never progressed beyond elementary school history topics.
Are you talking to ypurself?
So IM2, we haven't heard from you on this, so if the Civil War wasn't partly about slavery, then why were the slaves freed? If it was just about conserving the Union, slaves would not have been freed. Agree?Are you talking to a mirror?You just don't know your own history. Pity.If the most potent leverage to use against the confederacy happened to be the role of slavery in heir economy, it is obvious that slavery would be what would be attacked.
You have not read much about what led to the Civil War?
It's bad form to promote your ignorance publicly.
It sounds like you never progressed beyond elementary school history topics.
Are you talking to ypurself?
Apparently he is.
You have no idea what they were fighting for. Many people go to war, not all that fight are fighting for the same reason. You don't know that many of those white men fighting the Civil War may have been fighting to free the slaves, since very few white people even owned slaves.Nope, that did not happen. And as we see by the legal decisions made after the civil war whites did not fight to secure the civil rights of blacks. THAT, is what I know. And it is what YOU need to learn.
So what are these people, black albinos?
Why is it that you want to give whites credit for things they did not lead? Things they were faces in the crowd for but not responsible for doing? How much more dishonest can you get? 1white person dies in a civil rights protest and you want to claim whites died for our civil rights like they organized and led the march. 300 blacks may have been beaten and killed, the organizers are black and have had their lives threatened but we must only recognize that one white so your white ass can feel good about yourself. I'm not going to do that. Whites had no real role in civil tights leadership or organization. Yes there were whites who showed up, but blacks were the organizers and creators of organizations and groups that made it happen.
If you were talking about who led the fight to end slavery and for civil rights then you should have said so in the OP. However, you never made any such distinctions in the OP or in any of your posts in this discussion, you only claimed that whites never fought.
If blacks had not done these things whites weren't going to.
Again, that wasn't the point of the OP. The point was only that whites never fought. But we both know this to be false, don't we?
No, the OP said whites did not fight to end slavery. And they didn't.
the race pimps don't want to hear that.You have no idea what they were fighting for. Many people go to war, not all that fight are fighting for the same reason. You don't know that many of those white men fighting the Civil War may have been fighting to free the slaves, since very few white people even owned slaves.So what are these people, black albinos?
Why is it that you want to give whites credit for things they did not lead? Things they were faces in the crowd for but not responsible for doing? How much more dishonest can you get? 1white person dies in a civil rights protest and you want to claim whites died for our civil rights like they organized and led the march. 300 blacks may have been beaten and killed, the organizers are black and have had their lives threatened but we must only recognize that one white so your white ass can feel good about yourself. I'm not going to do that. Whites had no real role in civil tights leadership or organization. Yes there were whites who showed up, but blacks were the organizers and creators of organizations and groups that made it happen.
If you were talking about who led the fight to end slavery and for civil rights then you should have said so in the OP. However, you never made any such distinctions in the OP or in any of your posts in this discussion, you only claimed that whites never fought.
If blacks had not done these things whites weren't going to.
Again, that wasn't the point of the OP. The point was only that whites never fought. But we both know this to be false, don't we?
No, the OP said whites did not fight to end slavery. And they didn't.
My great, great, great grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 9th Florida Regiment.
We know why he fought because he wrote letters. Almost 200 of them and they have been donated to the Library at the University of Florida. Anybody with access to the library can go read them.
He joined the army after Lincoln said he was going to raise an army to invade the South and kill Southerners.
He was protecting his home.
He fought in the Battle of Olustee, which was an invasion of Florida by the filthy Union Army.
Later on he was sent to defend Richmond from the Yankee invasion. He fought at the Battle of Cold Harbor.
After the war he did not accept the parole by taking the loyalty oath. He just left and walked home to Florida from Virginia. It took him six months. No I-95 back then.
Nothing about slavery in his letters. He was a farmer and rancher and didn't own slaves. The letters also indicate a Libertarian view of things. He decided to fight when he felt threaten. I suspect that was the motivation by most Confederate soldiers.
So IM2, we haven't heard from you on this, so if the Civil War wasn't partly about slavery, then why were the slaves freed? If it was just about conserving the Union, slaves would not have been freed. Agree?Are you talking to a mirror?You just don't know your own history. Pity.
It's bad form to promote your ignorance publicly.
It sounds like you never progressed beyond elementary school history topics.
Are you talking to ypurself?
Apparently he is.
the race pimps don't want to hear that.You have no idea what they were fighting for. Many people go to war, not all that fight are fighting for the same reason. You don't know that many of those white men fighting the Civil War may have been fighting to free the slaves, since very few white people even owned slaves.Why is it that you want to give whites credit for things they did not lead? Things they were faces in the crowd for but not responsible for doing? How much more dishonest can you get? 1white person dies in a civil rights protest and you want to claim whites died for our civil rights like they organized and led the march. 300 blacks may have been beaten and killed, the organizers are black and have had their lives threatened but we must only recognize that one white so your white ass can feel good about yourself. I'm not going to do that. Whites had no real role in civil tights leadership or organization. Yes there were whites who showed up, but blacks were the organizers and creators of organizations and groups that made it happen.
If you were talking about who led the fight to end slavery and for civil rights then you should have said so in the OP. However, you never made any such distinctions in the OP or in any of your posts in this discussion, you only claimed that whites never fought.
If blacks had not done these things whites weren't going to.
Again, that wasn't the point of the OP. The point was only that whites never fought. But we both know this to be false, don't we?
No, the OP said whites did not fight to end slavery. And they didn't.
My great, great, great grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 9th Florida Regiment.
We know why he fought because he wrote letters. Almost 200 of them and they have been donated to the Library at the University of Florida. Anybody with access to the library can go read them.
He joined the army after Lincoln said he was going to raise an army to invade the South and kill Southerners.
He was protecting his home.
He fought in the Battle of Olustee, which was an invasion of Florida by the filthy Union Army.
Later on he was sent to defend Richmond from the Yankee invasion. He fought at the Battle of Cold Harbor.
After the war he did not accept the parole by taking the loyalty oath. He just left and walked home to Florida from Virginia. It took him six months. No I-95 back then.
Nothing about slavery in his letters. He was a farmer and rancher and didn't own slaves. The letters also indicate a Libertarian view of things. He decided to fight when he felt threaten. I suspect that was the motivation by most Confederate soldiers.
everything has to revolve around them
So if it wasn't partly about the slaves, then why free them?So IM2, we haven't heard from you on this, so if the Civil War wasn't partly about slavery, then why were the slaves freed? If it was just about conserving the Union, slaves would not have been freed. Agree?Are you talking to a mirror?It's bad form to promote your ignorance publicly.
It sounds like you never progressed beyond elementary school history topics.
Are you talking to ypurself?
Apparently he is.
No. Slaves were only freed in the confederate states which at the time was not part of the union therefore they did not have to abide by the EP. '
the race pimps don't want to hear that.You have no idea what they were fighting for. Many people go to war, not all that fight are fighting for the same reason. You don't know that many of those white men fighting the Civil War may have been fighting to free the slaves, since very few white people even owned slaves.If you were talking about who led the fight to end slavery and for civil rights then you should have said so in the OP. However, you never made any such distinctions in the OP or in any of your posts in this discussion, you only claimed that whites never fought.
Again, that wasn't the point of the OP. The point was only that whites never fought. But we both know this to be false, don't we?
No, the OP said whites did not fight to end slavery. And they didn't.
My great, great, great grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 9th Florida Regiment.
We know why he fought because he wrote letters. Almost 200 of them and they have been donated to the Library at the University of Florida. Anybody with access to the library can go read them.
He joined the army after Lincoln said he was going to raise an army to invade the South and kill Southerners.
He was protecting his home.
He fought in the Battle of Olustee, which was an invasion of Florida by the filthy Union Army.
Later on he was sent to defend Richmond from the Yankee invasion. He fought at the Battle of Cold Harbor.
After the war he did not accept the parole by taking the loyalty oath. He just left and walked home to Florida from Virginia. It took him six months. No I-95 back then.
Nothing about slavery in his letters. He was a farmer and rancher and didn't own slaves. The letters also indicate a Libertarian view of things. He decided to fight when he felt threaten. I suspect that was the motivation by most Confederate soldiers.
everything has to revolve around them
It's funny how you racists tell your stories. Nobody white owed slaves. Yes you race pimps don't want to admit that whites did not fight to free blacks from slavery.
If you were talking about who led the fight to end slavery and for civil rights then you should have said so in the OP. However, you never made any such distinctions in the OP or in any of your posts in this discussion, you only claimed that whites never fought.
Again, that wasn't the point of the OP. The point was only that whites never fought. But we both know this to be false, don't we?
No, the OP said whites did not fight to end slavery. And they didn't.
So then why did you bring up the matter of who started and led the fight for Civil Rights? You wrote an entire paragraph on it for Christ's sake. Besides, you can't tell me you've never heard of John Brown and the Harper's Ferry Raid.
It's just this simple, whites did not fight in the civil war to free blacks from slavery. I posted what I did because of this link YOU posted fool.
Music To Bring Americans Together Again! - Canyon News
Regardless what the consensus was among union soldiers about the issue of slavery, some of them, in fact, fought to end it and felt that was their personal reason for fighting in the war.
Here is a website that has quotes taken from union soldiers' letters about slavery and why they fought.
A couple of quotes:
"… Our Government handles slavery as tenderly as a mother would her firstborn… When shall it be stricken down as the deadly enemy of freedom, virtue, and mankind?”
"… As long as we ignore the fact (practically) that Slavery is the basis of this struggle (the Civil War) so long are we simply [cutting] down a vigorously growing plant that will continually spring up and give new trouble at very short intervals. We must emancipate.”
You are pathetic. You want us to credit the entire white race for a few when the majority did not give a damn about slaves.
Second, you want to make this claim even though whites did not let blacks fight for most of the fucking war. If every white had fought for slavery, they were fighting to correct a mistake whites themselves made.
