The Worst Weather Ever

[ReinyDays]

Earth's atmosphere is not physically confined by a barrier like a plastic enclosure you use in a lab. It is subject to gravity, duh, but if we had two polar oceans, the atmosphere would physically expand as well as increase surface pressure. Your lab may not simulate that correctly. An enclosure would increase surface pressure more than a planet atmosphere increased with more gas molecules, assuming same/proportionate - lab vs planet.

Your simulation takes the physical growth, the volume growth, of Earth's atmosphere and packs it back inside a barrier.

FAIL

Surface pressure is defined as the weight of the air column above it ... for a square meter at mean sea level, this is 101.3 newtons of weight ... this converts to 14.7 pounds of weight per square inch ...

Yes ... the Earth's atmosphere is FORCED onto her surface, squeezed tight against ... just like water, and for the exact same reasons ... Naviar/Stokes rules fluid motion ... both liquids and gases ...

The same force that's holding you in your chair ... [giggle] ... the math is succinct, look it up ...

 

[Crick]

Earth's atmosphere is not physically confined by a barrier like a plastic enclosure you use in a lab. It is subject to gravity, duh, but if we had two polar oceans, the atmosphere would physically expand as well as increase surface pressure. Your lab may not simulate that correctly. An enclosure would increase surface pressure more than a planet atmosphere increased with more gas molecules, assuming same/proportionate - lab vs planet.

Your simulation takes the physical growth, the volume growth, of Earth's atmosphere and packs it back inside a barrier.

FAIL

Expanding the Earth's atmosphere will DECREASE pressure at the surface.

 

[ReinyDays]

Expanding the Earth's atmosphere will DECREASE pressure at the surface.

We can also raise temperature and keep pressure constant ... with equal mass, volume will increase ...

PV = nRT ...

 

[EMH]

Surface pressure is defined as the weight of the air column above it ... for a square meter at mean sea level, this is 101.3 newtons of weight ... this converts to 14.7 pounds of weight per square inch ...

Yes ... the Earth's atmosphere is FORCED onto her surface, squeezed tight against ... just like water, and for the exact same reasons ... Naviar/Stokes rules fluid motion ... both liquids and gases ...

The same force that's holding you in your chair ... [giggle] ... the math is succinct, look it up ...

No, because your "experiment" forces gas to remain in a constant volume, while the atmosphere expands out.

Nice try.

No wonder your Co2 FRAUd "models" always WHIFF on predicting reality...

 

[Crick]

We can also raise temperature and keep pressure constant ... with equal mass, volume will increase ...

PV = nRT ...

The thermal expansion of the atmosphere reduces its density which reduces the average strength of the gravitational field to which it is exposed which reduces its hydrostatic pressure at the surface.

 

[ReinyDays]

No, because your "experiment" forces gas to remain in a constant volume, while the atmosphere expands out.

Nice try.

No wonder your Co2 FRAUd "models" always WHIFF on predicting reality...

We have constant mass ... there's a law about that ... and there's a law about force being proportional to this mass ... not volume ... science uses a gradient value to describe the atmosphere, because the atmosphere never really quits, it just merges into the interplanetary debris field ...

Here's the details, edify yourself:

Hydrostatic equilibrium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[EMH]

We have constant mass ... there's a law about that ... and there's a law about force being proportional to this mass ... not volume ... science uses a gradient value to describe the atmosphere, because the atmosphere never really quits, it just merges into the interplanetary debris field ...

Here's the details, edify yourself:

Hydrostatic equilibrium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We got that same argument for fusion.

"We can re-create the forces" with lasers etc.

No, to achieve fusion you need a mass 10 times Jupiter. Without it, you don't have jack.

 

[ReinyDays]

We got that same argument for fusion.

"We can re-create the forces" with lasers etc.

No, to achieve fusion you need a mass 10 times Jupiter. Without it, you don't have jack.

What does hydrostatic equilibrium have to do with fusion? ... door nails are generally not this stupid ...

 

[Crick]

We have constant mass ... there's a law about that ... and there's a law about force being proportional to this mass ... not volume ... science uses a gradient value to describe the atmosphere, because the atmosphere never really quits, it just merges into the interplanetary debris field ...

Here's the details, edify yourself:

Hydrostatic equilibrium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But mass = Volume x density.
; - )

 

[fncceo]

Yes, deforestation and the plowing of the great plains helped to create a natural disaster.

There weren't any forests on The Plains.

They were savannah grasslands.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Wasn't in our day

An ice damn collapsed of such magnitude, it created the English Channel in a matter of hours. Obviously before mankind existed, but allegedly, bits falling off glaciers is due to man made climate change.

 

[Moonglow]

There weren't any forests on The Plains.

They were savannah grasslands.

Maybe in Georgia by Savannah

 

[HikerGuy83]

Have you accepted the CO2 molecule as your Lord and Savior?

More like they've accepted it as Satan.

Al Gore is the Saviour.

 

[EMH]

What does hydrostatic equilibrium have to do with fusion? ... door nails are generally not this stupid ...

It does not change the fact that your "simulation" is in an enclosed constant volume, and is trying to model something, the atmosphere, that is not constrained by volume....


This goes straight to the heart of the Co2 FRAUD itself, which claims that if you shine IR at Co2 it warms. OK. But when placed in the atmosphere, all of which is getting hit by the Sun's EM, does it warm the atmosphere? NO.

 

[ReinyDays]

It does not change the fact that your "simulation" is in an enclosed constant volume, and is trying to model something, the atmosphere, that is not constrained by volume....

That's why we use mass to define pressure ... not volume ... and why we put barometers in airplanes as altimeters ... commercial jets don't follow a set distance from the ground, they follow pressure shells that go up and down ...

This goes straight to the heart of the Co2 FRAUD itself, which claims that if you shine IR at Co2 it warms. OK. But when placed in the atmosphere, all of which is getting hit by the Sun's EM, does it warm the atmosphere? NO.

Sure it does ... we observe a temperature minimum at about 180 mb (≈ 35,000 feet) ... in the Stratosphere, temperature increases as we gain altitude ... what meteorologists call a "temperature inversion" ... up to the Stratopause at about 1 mb (≈ 30 miles) ... this temperature increase is due to the atmosphere absorbing solar energy at IR wavelengths ... as well as UV ... for the most part, it's only visible light that reaches the Earth's surface ...

[smile] ... indeed ... the Sun emits more energy than the Earth at ALL wavelengths, including IR ... a corollary to Wein's Law ... and if you're suggesting that CO2 in the upper half of the atmosphere is pushing energy out ... you may well be right ... it's a shame you don't know enough math to prove this ... because I think you're on the right track ... the warming at the surface is balanced by the cooling aloft ... the wildcard here is convection ...

You should study math and write up the proof of your claims ... you're right, the Sun does emit more IR ... stupid Alarmists want us to forget ...

 

[EMH]

That's why we use mass to define pressure ... not volume ... and why we put barometers in airplanes as altimeters ... commercial jets don't follow a set distance from the ground, they follow pressure shells that go up and down ...



Sure it does ... we observe a temperature minimum at about 180 mb (≈ 35,000 feet) ... in the Stratosphere, temperature increases as we gain altitude ... what meteorologists call a "temperature inversion" ... up to the Stratopause at about 1 mb (≈ 30 miles) ... this temperature increase is due to the atmosphere absorbing solar energy at IR wavelengths ... as well as UV ... for the most part, it's only visible light that reaches the Earth's surface ...

[smile] ... indeed ... the Sun emits more energy than the Earth at ALL wavelengths, including IR ... a corollary to Wein's Law ... and if you're suggesting that CO2 in the upper half of the atmosphere is pushing energy out ... you may well be right ... it's a shame you don't know enough math to prove this ... because I think you're on the right track ... the warming at the surface is balanced by the cooling aloft ... the wildcard here is convection ...

You should study math and write up the proof of your claims ... you're right, the Sun does emit more IR ... stupid Alarmists want us to forget ...

What we really know is this

Co2 went up

Atmospheric temps did not according to highly correlated satellite and balloon data before you and your heroes FUDGED it...

 

[ReinyDays]

What we really know is this

Co2 went up

Atmospheric temps did not according to highly correlated satellite and balloon data before you and your heroes FUDGED it...

Which satellite band are you using as a proxy for temperature? ...

 

[EMH]

Which satellite band are you using as a proxy for temperature? ...

Ask NBC, they reported it...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[ReinyDays]

Ask NBC, they reported it...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

Yeah ... NBC News is about your speed, eh? ... they're lying, and you look ignorant repeating their lies ... we can't measure temperature from space ...

... not yet ...

This new generation of GOES satellites are pretty cool and I hope you've checked out what data is available ...

 

[EMH]

Yeah ... NBC News is about your speed, eh? ... they're lying, and you look ignorant repeating their lies ... we can't measure temperature from space ...

... not yet ...

This new generation of GOES satellites are pretty cool and I hope you've checked out what data is available ...

So NBC lied?

LOL!!!

Or you did...