The Vader Presidency

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    Little Luke has been corrupted and led astray by the Dark Lord.:evil:

    Now you know the rest of the story about the real president.

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/cheney/chapters/chapter_1/
     
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    Didn't know foreign terrorist had constitutional rights considering they're not Americans?
     
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    You haven't been paying attention, the loons on the left think our police can handle foreign terrorists. Of course first they will strip the police of any right to listen to them, search any accomplacies property and deny them the right to retrieve them from even friendly foreign powers.

    The same people that insist 20 MILLION illegals should be legalized AND that the borders should remain so open 20 million more will flood in as soon as we do legalize this new batch, knowing they to will become legal.

    Terrorist camps in foreign countries? No problem, if we ignore them or wait till they are empty and fire a cruise missile at them we will keep them at bay. But damn make sure we are on friendly terms with those foreign countries, wouldn't want to make any terrorist supporting states mad at us now would we?

    Look on the bright side, in January no matter who is elected President, using the logic of these loons, they can NEVER mention Bush or Cheney EVER again.
     
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    Why such secretive action required to give this order and have it signed?
     
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    Secret? Doesn't sound like it was secret at all. Are you now claiming that the Vice President and the President must meet in a public forum and only make decisions publicly? The order was signed by the President that is, in the end, all that matters. The order was made public. Further parts of it have been, as our system allows, taken to court and thrown out.

    That is HOW our system works.

    Another lame attempt to blame Bush for something that is not illegal, immoral or even unathorized.
     
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    Cheney has always been the real president in this administration, that anyone doubts that after all this time can only amaze. All the good guys and girls left long ago, dictatorships of thought require lackeys, Cheney has them.

    Why do you think Bush needed Cheney when he testified before the 911 committee, he needed someone to tell him what happened and what he did next.

    "In 1993-94, under a unified Democratic government, the House Government Reform Committee held 135 oversight or investigate hearings. In 2004-05 under the unified Republican government, Congress held just 37." from 'The Big Con,' by Jonathan Chait.
     
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    No, huh?

    Sure, after all the secrecy leading up to it actually being signed.

    So, I'll ask again. Why all the secrecy? Why bypass staff review? Why didn't Rice, who was the friggin Nat. Sec. Advisor at the time, even know? Why not even the Sec. of State?

    You're making the argument for what happened AFTER the fact. I don't care about AFTER. I want to know what the hell happened BEFORE, and WHY.
     
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    AND I repeat it does NOT matter. No one has the right to demand the President disclose why he chose to sign it nor why he had it done the way it was done. THAT is the law.

    There is no requirement, no law nothing to require any staff review it not any advisor, no matter what position they hold know about it or even read it.

    The Vice President can go to the President ANYTIME he wants and ask him to sign ANYTHING he wants. The President is free to do so or not AT HIS PLEASURE. AND there is no requirement that the Vice President vet anything he brings to the President through staff or advisors.

    Perhaps you would care to provide us with a clause from the Constitution, a law passed and binding on the executive or EVEN a tradition that forbids the Vice President from doing EXACTLY what he did? Or any of the last that bar the President from doing what HE did?
     
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    Gunny bitches about the loons on the left but forgets he is one of the blind ones on the right. THEY DIDN'T EVEN TELL COLLIN POWELL, GUNNY. HE IS NOT THE FUCKING PUBLIC.

    You haven't been paying attention. Our CIA, FBI, Police Forces and the same for our allies have been the ONES STOPPING THE FUCKKING PLOTS. You can't understand the concept of infiltrating the terrorist organizations and destroying them from within. That is the only way you will get to the fucking roots and pull them out. You may kill a few terrorists on the battlefield but you don't stop them. GET FUKKING REAL AND DROP THE PARTISAN SHIT.

    To win the war against terrorism we need to destroy their foundations, not a few fucking battlefield terrorists.

    You are either unable to think outside the normal boundaries of warfare or you are so fuckking partisan, you don't care.

    The war in Iraq is good for a few things. It makes a lot of money for Bush's cronies, it recruits more terrorists and America haters, it give our troops infections from bad KBR water, and it is a total waste in fighting terrorism.
     
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    Again I DEMAND you provide some law, some portion of the Constitution, some Tradition that bars the Vice President from presenting what ever the hell he wants to the President and dictates who sees it on its way. Further I DEMAND some law, some Constitutional clause that requires the President vet ANYTHING with his appointed Advisors. You can not even find any tradition for that.
     
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