The U.S. doesn't need more gun control, we need more criminal control. That is how you stop gun violence.

[Billy_Bob]

The problem is that the democrat party judges and prosecutors allow gun charges to be plea bargained away.....this means that the sentences that would stop gang members from carrying guns, and would allow us to put them away for long periods of time don't work.....it is the democrat party, not the long sentences, that don't work.

It's "A" problem, not "THE" problem. Corruption doesn't have a Party- we have more people incarcerated than any Country in the world and crime continues.
It's not easy to fix corruption. It's a long, arduous path. I'd go so far as to say, corruption should lead to incarceration as it is more harmful than all the so called criminals combined.

Corruption should be a death sentence crime, especially if it involves people in our government. The problem is defining the crimes as this changes each time a different party takes control.

More gun laws do not create less crime. What they do is create criminals out of law abiding citizens. Guns used to commit other crimes are the problem and keeping those who use them to commit other crimes locked up is the answer.. Personal responsibility!

Personally, if you use a gun in commission of another crime it should be a death penalty case.. Full Stop!

 

[Gdjjr]

Crime continues because the tiny number of repeat offenders keep getting released on short sentences.......over and over again. Gun crime, in particular, originates from a tiny number of criminals in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities....keep them locked up and the crime rate goes down.

Oh bullshit. Crime is committed every fucking day- there are so many federal laws they can't even be counted for god sake- criminal action is harming another or taking what doesn't belong to you- THOSE REAL crimes are done by the federal godvernment, en masse- MORE LAWS = MORE CRIME. Period!

Yes, some civilians commit real crimes- MOST politicians do, by proxy, under the color of law.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Party affiliation. Unless, you want to call the Republicans the law and order Party and continue the eviscerating of the 4th amendment- and taking what doesn't belong to you- asset forfeiture on the pretext of "illegally" gained - or fucking income taxes.

Good lord, man, look beyond your short nose- THINK DEEP- stop the shallow thinking bullshit, the Duopoly Party thrives on that crap.

 

[2aguy]

Crime continues because the tiny number of repeat offenders keep getting released on short sentences.......over and over again. Gun crime, in particular, originates from a tiny number of criminals in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities....keep them locked up and the crime rate goes down.

Oh bullshit. Crime is committed every fucking day- there are so many federal laws they can't even be counted for god sake- criminal action is harming another or taking what doesn't belong to you- THOSE REAL crimes are done by the federal godvernment, en masse- MORE LAWS = MORE CRIME. Period!

Yes, some civilians commit real crimes- MOST politicians do, by proxy, under the color of law.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Party affiliation. Unless, you want to call the Republicans the law and order Party and continue the eviscerating of the 4th amendment- and taking what doesn't belong to you- asset forfeiture on the pretext of "illegally" gained - or fucking income taxes.

Good lord, man, look beyond your short nose- THINK DEEP- stop the shallow thinking bullshit, the Duopoly Party thrives on that crap.

Wrong......there is a direct link between the criminal justice policies of the democrat party and our level of gun crime in the United States. In the states and cities they control, they release violent gun criminals over and over again. Their policies on bail, and sentencing allow these violent gun criminals to get out of jail and prison and it is these criminals committing 95% of the gun crime in democrat party controlled cities.....actual research shows that it is a tiny number of criminals who do the vast majority of all the shootings....so if we stop the democrats from releasing these violent gun criminals, we will reduce our gun crime.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Crime continues because the tiny number of repeat offenders keep getting released on short sentences.......over and over again. Gun crime, in particular, originates from a tiny number of criminals in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities....keep them locked up and the crime rate goes down.

Oh bullshit. Crime is committed every fucking day- there are so many federal laws they can't even be counted for god sake- criminal action is harming another or taking what doesn't belong to you- THOSE REAL crimes are done by the federal godvernment, en masse- MORE LAWS = MORE CRIME. Period!

Yes, some civilians commit real crimes- MOST politicians do, by proxy, under the color of law.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Party affiliation. Unless, you want to call the Republicans the law and order Party and continue the eviscerating of the 4th amendment- and taking what doesn't belong to you- asset forfeiture on the pretext of "illegally" gained - or fucking income taxes.

Good lord, man, look beyond your short nose- THINK DEEP- stop the shallow thinking bullshit, the Duopoly Party thrives on that crap.

Wrong......there is a direct link between the criminal justice policies of the democrat party and our level of gun crime in the United States. In the states and cities they control, they release violent gun criminals over and over again. Their policies on bail, and sentencing allow these violent gun criminals to get out of jail and prison and it is these criminals committing 95% of the gun crime in democrat party controlled cities.....actual research shows that it is a tiny number of criminals who do the vast majority of all the shootings....so if we stop the democrats from releasing these violent gun criminals, we will reduce our gun crime.

Absolutely correct!

Recidivism of hardened criminals is almost 100%. After being in law enforcement for 26 years I can tell you this with certainty.

 

[Gdjjr]

Wrong......there is a direct link between the criminal justice policies of the democrat party and our level of gun crime in the United States. In the states and cities they control, they release violent gun criminals over and over again. Their policies on bail, and sentencing allow these violent gun criminals to get out of jail and prison and it is these criminals committing 95% of the gun crime in democrat party controlled cities.....actual research shows that it is a tiny number of criminals who do the vast majority of all the shootings....so if we stop the democrats from releasing these violent gun criminals, we will reduce our gun crime.

Thinking, Shallow And Deep


Superficial, shallow thinking produces a superficial life.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Once the guns go...all is lost.

Government has proven it cannot protect citizens. And some have actually encouraged and protected destruction if it fits their political views.

 

[Gdjjr]

Once the guns go...all is lost.

Government has proven it cannot protect citizens. And some have actually encouraged and protected destruction if it fits their political views.

Guns ain't gonna be gone- there are too many of them-

 

[2aguy]

Wrong......there is a direct link between the criminal justice policies of the democrat party and our level of gun crime in the United States. In the states and cities they control, they release violent gun criminals over and over again. Their policies on bail, and sentencing allow these violent gun criminals to get out of jail and prison and it is these criminals committing 95% of the gun crime in democrat party controlled cities.....actual research shows that it is a tiny number of criminals who do the vast majority of all the shootings....so if we stop the democrats from releasing these violent gun criminals, we will reduce our gun crime.

Thinking, Shallow And Deep


Superficial, shallow thinking produces a superficial life.

Then you should try to stop the shallow thinking...the rest of us will continue to think deeply and with reason.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The problem in the United States is not that normal people own and carry guns for self defense. These people are not using their legal guns for crime and murder. Our problem is that the democrat party, in control of major American cities, refuses to keep criminals locked up in jail and prison. They also focus their efforts on people who do not commit gun crime, while releasing, over and over, criminals who are responsible for the gun crime.....

If you focus on the criminals, you lower gun violence. If you focus on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting you do not lower gun violence rates.

For example....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/with-a-truce-brokered-over-zoom-one-dc-neighborhood-goes-nearly-100-days-without-a-shooting/2020/08/21/69f010a8-e183-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

true but for that to happen,wheter you want to believe it or not the facts are we need to get rid of this corrupt two party system because BOTH parties are corrupt even though in recent years the dems are worse but there are still some evil corrupt repubs as bush,cheney and romney out there in high power that are criminals as well.

the elite dont care which party gets in because they are both corrupt and servants to them which is why an independent never gets elected,cant have a president in there who follows the constitution and be a conytry where the government serves the people instead of us serving them now as we have for DECADES now.

I can’t believe only a couple people here have acknowledged this truth here in this post of mine.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The problem is that the democrat party judges and prosecutors allow gun charges to be plea bargained away.....this means that the sentences that would stop gang members from carrying guns, and would allow us to put them away for long periods of time don't work.....it is the democrat party, not the long sentences, that don't work.

It's "A" problem, not "THE" problem. Corruption doesn't have a Party- we have more people incarcerated than any Country in the world and crime continues.
It's not easy to fix corruption. It's a long, arduous path. I'd go so far as to say, corruption should lead to incarceration as it is more harmful than all the so called criminals combined.

Indeed and the thing that’s sick is that there is more hard core evidence of criminal activities against the politicians in our country than the majority of criminals on death row but they get off Scott free and are roaming around free as a bird.we were taught growing up that good always triumphs over evil and you bought into thst growing up,but now we know that that’s just not true.because of thst I always dream of living in a Star Trek world where I could just beam up to another planet and leave this one.sucks that that’s not available to us isn’t it?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The problem is that the democrat party judges and prosecutors allow gun charges to be plea bargained away.....this means that the sentences that would stop gang members from carrying guns, and would allow us to put them away for long periods of time don't work.....it is the democrat party, not the long sentences, that don't work.

It's "A" problem, not "THE" problem. Corruption doesn't have a Party- we have more people incarcerated than any Country in the world and crime continues.
It's not easy to fix corruption. It's a long, arduous path. I'd go so far as to say, corruption should lead to incarceration as it is more harmful than all the so called criminals combined.

Crime continues because the tiny number of repeat offenders keep getting released on short sentences.......over and over again. Gun crime, in particular, originates from a tiny number of criminals in tiny areas of our democrat party controlled cities....keep them locked up and the crime rate goes down.

It’s not a tiny number of criminals that get released it’s a HUGE number and sorry to break your heart but both parties are involved in releasing these criminals onto the public.

 

[hjmick]

The problem in the United States is not that normal people own and carry guns for self defense. These people are not using their legal guns for crime and murder. Our problem is that the democrat party, in control of major American cities, refuses to keep criminals locked up in jail and prison. They also focus their efforts on people who do not commit gun crime, while releasing, over and over, criminals who are responsible for the gun crime.....

If you focus on the criminals, you lower gun violence. If you focus on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting you do not lower gun violence rates.

For example....

Violence interrupters, often people who have overcome criminal pasts and now mediate disputes to prevent shootings, negotiated a truce over contentious Zoom meetings between warring street crews. The truce has held nearly 100 days into the hot summer, even as shootings and homicides in D.C. spike to decade-high levels.

The negotiators now call the area a “safe place from past drama.”
Daniel Becton, a retired 67-year-old maintenance man and longtime area resident, said, “There had been so much killing. Now the atmosphere has changed.”
He said jealousy drove tensions.
“One man has more than the other one. That’s all,” Becton said. “One person needs to be bigger than the other.”

The area covering the truce is small, a sliver of one neighborhood among dozens in the city overrun by crime. But many District leaders, including the D.C. Council, hope violence interrupters and other alternative-justice programs can curtail killings before the police get involved.
The team that secured the cease-fire hangs a banner in its office, titled “Days since last shooting,” with numbers displayed on placards that resemble old-fashioned manual baseball scoreboards. Saturday marked the 99th day without a shooting in the area.

“It’s a miracle, for real,” said Brittany Graham, an outreach worker with Cure the Streets.
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Rosenfeld cautioned that violence interrupters — a program that began in Chicago and is now active in about a dozen other cities — are one part of a strategy to combat violence.

He said gangs are less organized and less stable than they were a generation ago, with ever-changing affiliations and territories, meaning “today’s truce may not last long.”

He said disputes tend to be “extremely localized,” factors that “pose real challenges to violence interruption” and require vast and committed resources to calm small pieces of dangerous real estate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/with-a-truce-brokered-over-zoom-one-dc-neighborhood-goes-nearly-100-days-without-a-shooting/2020/08/21/69f010a8-e183-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

It's funny, there's a line in the movie The American President I always find myself yelling at, it is uttered by Michael Douglas's character President Andrew Shepherd and it goes like this:

For reasons passing understanding, people do not relate guns to gun-related crime.

To which I yell, well, not really yell but reply with a disgusted tone, "Because guns don't act on their own! Any rational peron should know this!"

Despite it's leftist political slant, I do enjoy that movie...