The Two Sides To The Clinton Speech-2012-Good And Dishonest

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    Ahh....the rest of the story??? :eusa_shifty: :eusa_shifty:

    "Bill Clinton gave what was, by all accounts, a very good speech last night. It was persuasive, articulate and inspiring, but there was just one problem: almost the whole speech was based completely on distortions or one-sided portrayals. What follows are excerpted claims from the speech (Black) and some factual corrections, context and explanations that were missing (in Red):

    So who’s right? (Cheers.) Well, since 1961, for 52 years now, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats, 24. In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66 million private sector jobs.
    So what’s the job score? Republicans, 24 million; Democrats, 42 (million). (Cheers, applause.)

    (Some context: More than half of the Democrat total here came from Clinton’s Presidency. That presidency occurred during the innovative computer and internet boom that almost automatically produced jobs. Furthermore, this ignores that during 6 out of 8 years of the Clinton Presidency; Republicans controlled Congress and set many of the nation’s policies. In fact, it was the Republican Congress that essentially forced Clinton into balancing the budgets and creating a surplus.)


    "It turns out that advancing equal opportunity and economic empowerment is both morally right and good economics, because discrimination, poverty and ignorance restrict growth, while investments in education, infrastructure and scientific and technological research increase it, creating more good jobs and new wealth for all of us.

    (Clinton talks about investment, which a code word for spending, but the balanced budgets he signed had real cuts in such “investment”. Under Clinton, spending was near 18% of GDP, but it is currently over 24% of GDP.)

    "One of the main reasons we ought to re-elect President Obama is that he is still committed to constructive cooperation.

    (This statement requires a complete rejection of reality. Every major legislative initiative passed by President Obama was done so along party lines and with little input from Republicans. The stimulus received 3 total Republican votes in Congress and Arlen Specter is no longer a Republican. Obamacare did not receive one Republican vote in either the Senate or the House, and 34 Democrats voted against it in the House. Furthermore, Obama has made it clear from the start that he has no interest in real cooperation with Republicans, at one point exclaiming Republicans “can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”)

    "But it could have been because, as the Senate Republican leader said in a remarkable moment of candor two full years before the election, their number one priority was not to put America back to work; it was to put the president out of work.

    (This point is a distortion because it ignores that Senator McConnell and most Republicans believe that the best way to get Americans back to work is to put Obama out of work. The two are not necessarily incompatible. Furthermore, Obama himself has quite a history of naming issues besides jobs as his top priority; does that mean he was ignoring jobs?)


    Much more: Bill Clinton
     
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    IMHO Bubba's speech was mostly re-writing history about Bubba's terms. Bill wants Hilary to run in 2016 so he gets back to the WH and gets to show more interns the ropes.
     
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    One liar supporting another liar for potus, classic.
     
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    He's old now.. but still powerful. I hate his fucking guts.
     
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    God bless Bill Clinton. I look forward to seeing him back in the White House in 2016.
     
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    My, my, the pitifull whining. You po' babys got your ass kicked by Ol' Bill. Well deserved and a pleasue to see and listen to. Even more pleasant to listen to ya'all whine 24/7.
     
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    Do you really believe Clinton was that good? Look back at the facts. He's Obama turned inside out. The Agenda at work!
     
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    Well, were it just me, I wouldn't be impressed. For my mindset is mostly mechanical and scientific, and what impresses me seldom impresses most people. However, even the Republican pundits were stating that it was a great speech. And a great many pundits of both parties stated that it was his best ever.
     

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