The term "neo con"

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    Okay, I guess I'll sink this here...

    Does anybody besides me think the term "neo-con" is a term used to hide anti-semitic leanings? It's been my observation that the people who throw the term around the most (and I haven't seen it here, so I feel safe bringing it up here) are people who are socialist, anti-religion, and specifically anti-Jew. When I objected to the way a person was using the term on another board, I was unceremoniously tossed out on my ear. Now I've gained access to that board (I don't expect it to last for long) and that same person is still going on about "Neo-cons"...and also going on about all the reasons abortion is okay, and touting basically eugenestic (sorry, you hopefully know what I mean) strategies for eliminating un-desirables.

    So that's the question. Am I off my rocker? Because this wasn't my only experience in seeing that. It seems to me that every time I see someone on a "Neo-con" rant, i.e., ranting against the neo-cons, calling people neo-cons, etc., they are actually ranting against Jews in power and will actually detail all the harm that has done, and then go on an anti-Israel spiel.

    No, this is not directed at Shogun, who thank GOD hasn't gone down the neo-con hatred road yet.
     
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    The term is used here. I'm not sure what it is you take offense to. Do you know what a neo-con is? Most of the lefties who sling it around have no clue. Just wondering if you do.
     
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    I don't think it's being used to hide anti-Semitic feelings - by which I assume you mean, anti-Jewish feelings. I think it's more of a shorthand term to refer to those who support the agenda as laid out by the PNAC. One of the reasons I say it's not anti-Jewish is that not all PNAC supporters are Jewish. Some are. I suppose some are Protestants, some are Catholics, some are Evangelicals, some are even atheists I would think, perhaps agnostic. But all are nutters :D

    If someone wanted to express anti-Jewish feelings they can do it without resort to some sort of shorthand, it hasn't stopped too many folks who are proud of their bigotry.
     
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    "Neo Con" is a term that was applied to people who were Democrats and considered liberal until Jimmy Carter moved the rug left, and out from under the moderate liberal base. The result was former moderate "liberals" who voted Republican being re-labelled moderate "conservatives", and not being "true" conservatives, we got labelled "neo cons."

    Taken a step further by liberal extremists, the term has since been used as a slur, with little real knowledge as to what it means or who it identifies.

    I don't know that antisemitism applies at all to those who use the term in derogatory fashion. Ignorant does though.
     
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    And people think Canadian politics is complex....chuck this in and also Yellow Dog Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats (?) and Dixiecrats...and....my head hurts...:eusa_doh:
     
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    Yes and no.

    Yes, in that "neocons" are pretty much exclusively Jews who seek an Israel-first foreign policy.

    No, in that some who hate that don't really hate all Jews.

    http://www.vdare.com/macdonald/030918_neoconservatism.htm

    Over the last year, there’s been a torrent of articles on neoconservatism raising (usually implicitly) some vexing issues: Are neoconservatives different from other conservatives? Is neoconservatism a Jewish movement? Is it “anti-Semitic” to say so?

    The dispute between the neocons and more traditional conservatives — “paleoconservatives” — is especially important because the latter now find themselves on the outside, looking in on the conservative power structure.

    Hopefully, some of the venom has been taken out of this argument by the remarkable recent article by neoconservative “godfather” Irving Kristol (“The Neoconservative Persuasion,” Weekly Standard, August 25, 2003). With commendable frankness, Kristol admitted that

    “the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.”

    And, equally frankly, Kristol eschewed any attempt to justify U.S. support for Israel in terms of American national interest:

    “[L]arge nations, whose identity is ideological, like the Soviet Union of yesteryear and the United States of today, inevitably have ideological interests in addition to more material concerns… That is why we feel it necessary to defend Israel today, when its survival is threatened. No complicated geopolitical calculations of national interest are necessary.”


    So, basically, the "King Neocon" admits it's a Jewish thing.
     
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    That's crap. I haven't noticed that racism had a damned thing to do with it, nor it with racism. Go get your own damned label and stop trying to hijack one that's already been taken.
     
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    Neo-Cons Are One World power nuts that seek to destroy anything in semblance of democracy.

    They have no particular race, religion or even an exact creed. They are simply people over obsessed with themselves that they will cheat, rob, torture or steal anything that they feel increases their own power. In short, they are those that represent themselves as American Republicans circa 2000. History will reveal them much more clearly than anything I can tell you about them now.
     
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    It seems that some, but not all, who use the term "neo-con" use it as a synonym for political Jews.

    I've seen people say some really nasty things about "neo-cons" and it was obvious what the prejudice was. But it must not be as common as I thought.

    Thanks folks.
     
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    I would think that if you yourself are so uninformed as to what exactly a neo-con even is, than to begin by equating it to anti-semitism is irresponsible and insulting.

    Gunny gave a good succinct description, but it goes much farther than that.

    I made a thread about this a while ago, check it out:

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=50232
     

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