emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
The Constitution became a joke a long time ago, finally put to rest by the election of Abraham Lincoln. Why do people think it's still actually a legal reality? It's all determined by politically appointed 'Judges', has been for a long time. Americans like corruption, they in fact insist on it, and you think 'Article V' means something to these voters?
And 'Natural Law'??? lol that meme never had a chance; it's as fictional as Popeye. 'Social Darwinism' is the ideology one tries to avoid by rambling on about 'Natural Law'.
Your only chance is to fall back on that minority of Christians; the traditionalists are your only hope, not your fellow sociopaths. Start with culture first; get that back, then worry about regaining a genuine legal system.
Dear Picaro
I'd like to understand IN DEPTH where your thinking is coming from,
so we can learn to communicate past this barrier. I know other people
who also see the Constitution as arbitrary, diluted and lost to political forces,
and not having authority to compel anyone to enforce these laws.
I see that approach similar to not relying on math, because it's been hijacked by elitists
who use it for a bunch of theorizing with no practical application or meaning.
But that's just ONE LEVEL of math.
The BASIC MATH applies to all transactions we do.
I want to focus on where NATURAL LAWS are universal
to people and DO govern and predict our democratic process.
Can we focus there and find common language
that DOESN'T depend on the areas that have been hijacked
and distorted outside Constitutional laws and limits.
I read your post/points that especially with Lincoln,
the Constitutional laws and limits were overridden.
When Lincoln ordered presses to be burned down
and journalists hung, these were acts of war, not
civilian peace time. So the same rules did not apply
during war, when citizens were declared and treated
as treasonous foreign enemies WITHOUT due process.
In wartime, enemy combatants are not given the same
due process as with civilians under civil and criminal laws.
The problem today is similar, where people and leaders
do not wait for due process to start treating other people
and groups "as enemies" and disparage their rights. They
are declared wrong and judged without "due process."
Then actions are taken politically to further overstep those
people's rights, justified for political expedience. So this is
more like political warfare and not following laws of
due process and democratic procedures. Just people abusing
party and media to act as "judge jury and executioner" with no
limits or separation of powers. This reaction is caused by
THOSE people fearing rights and laws have been abridged,
or are threatened with oppression. So it's a vicious cycle.
Picaro I don't see how else we can break this cycle of
abuse and oppression EXCEPT we agree to adhere to
UNIVERSAL principles and process of democratic negotiations.
That's why I urge everyone to respect basic principles of
"natural laws" that define the democratic process between people.
This is naturally occurring by way of our human nature
as individuals who NATURALLY use our "free speech" and
"right to petition/object" to try to address and resolve obstructions
to our right to peace/security, freedom/free choice and justice.
Picaro what part of these "natural laws" do you NOT BELIEVE
exist or apply to all people?
Aren't these common/universal principles people already follow
by our nature: freedom of speech or of the press, right to assemble
and to petition for redress of grievances, right of defense to protect
ourselves from being deprived of life, liberty, property or exercise of
our beliefs and free choice/will as indivduals to pursue what we
want, need and believe in.
Why isn't it clear that the purpose and process in the Constitution,
especially the Bill of Rights, is to spell out and define this process
so this can be PROTECTED for individuals?
Even if violations occur, as you point out they have gotten way out of hand,
we still APPLY the same Constitutional/democratic process to
REDRESS THOSE GRIEVANCES and protect our individual and public interest
from abuse and oppression by collective influences which these laws
hold in check.
Are you saying that because it's so far out of control there's no way to check the abuses?
It's because we are divided that's why we aren't effective in stopping abuses.
But by UNITING in agreement on these principles, that's what puts the abuses back in check.
Picaro all the people making up the collective corporate interests and abusers of power
are STILL "individuals" GOVERNED by the same natural laws and principles built into
our human nature by CONSCIENCE.
The way the CONSCIENCE responds is to unified agreements, invoking public
authority of laws, then everyone is compelled to follow where we all AGREE.
It is ESSENTIAL we come to points and principles of AGREEMENT.
Like parents running a household, and have to STAND IN AGREEMENT
or the kids run wild and take advantage of them bickering to get away with whatever.
Or like a group of firefighters having to fight a blaze, and must work as a concerted TEAM.
If they all give up or can't work together, SURE, the blaze spirals out of control.
Picaro it's not that we the people don't have the power to stop the abuses.
The problem is WE DO have this authority.
So if we DON'T unify and invoke it, then nothing gets done.
Govt is really waiting on us, we the people to get our
act together, resolve issues to put together a game plan,
and tell them what to do.
If we don't, that's where Govt runs amok, like kids with
a credit card and car keys. We have to take back responsibility
instead of leaving the keys and card on the counter for anyone to run off with.