The Tax Cut Myth

[loosecannon]

Are you saying Dems are not wanting to raise taxes?

That is correct. That is what your Novak piece actually said as well if you sanitize it for bald faced distortion.

 

[red states rule]

That is correct. That is what your Novak piece actually said as well if you sanitize it for bald faced distortion.

Typical liberal logic

People will paying more in taxes but it is not a tax increase

 

[loosecannon]

The US economy is flat? Hardly

The Dow is up nearly 5000 points since the weeks after 9-11

And up 2200 points since Bush took office.

 

[red states rule]

And up 2200 points since Bush took office.

So you do not count the huge drop after 9-11?

The Bush tax cuts have helped grow the US economy and put people to work

 

[loosecannon]

Typical liberal logic

People will paying more in taxes but it is not a tax increase

Your logic isn't latching onto this RSR.

There are several ways in which revenues increase without a change in the tax RATE.

There could be more people paying taxes

There could be more income to tax at the same rate

There could be those "read my lips, no new taxes" user fees that Bush 41' got busted imposing.

Funny how when a repub adds new taxes they claim that they aren't, but when a dem doesn't add new taxes or even change the tax rate they get broadsided with lies claiming the opposite.

 

[red states rule]

Your logic isn't latching onto this RSR.

There are several ways in which revenues increase without a change in the tax RATE.

There could be more people paying taxes

There could be more income to tax at the same rate

There could be those "read my lips, no new taxes" user fees that Bush 41' got busted imposing.

Funny how when a repub adds new taxes they claim that they aren't, but when a dem doesn't add new taxes or even change the tax rate they get broadsided with lies claiming the opposite.

By not keeping the tax cuts - it is a tax increase

Why are libs so hyper to take more money from the producers and give it to the nonproducers?

 

[loosecannon]

So you do not count the huge drop after 9-11?

History will count the economic growth starting at Bush's first day and ending at his last in office.

So am I.

You are radically fudging the numbers to create a false perception. (lying)

The Bush tax cuts have helped grow the US economy and put people to work

Lots of things have "helped grow the US economy". Even aspirin can make that claim.

But "put people to work"? You are dreaming. New job starts are a fraction of what they were under Clinton. Clinton's 8 years added 14 million new jobs. Under Bush the new jobs growth is about half that rate.

the ONLY reason why unemployment isn't above 10% right now is that millions of people have retired and many of them early.

It is the baby boom retirement that is keeping unemployment from soaring not anything Bush did.

 

[red states rule]

History will count the economic growth starting at Bush's first day and ending at his last in office.

So am I.

You are radically fudging the numbers to create a false perception. (lying)





Lots of things have "helped grow the US economy". Even aspirin can make that claim.

But "put people to work"? You are dreaming. New job starts are a fraction of what they were under Clinton. Clinton's 8 years added 14 million new jobs. Under Bush the new jobs growth is about half that rate.

the ONLY reason why unemployment isn't above 10% right now is that millions of people have retired and many of them early.

It is the baby boom retirement that is keeping unemployment from soaring not anything Bush did.

Libs tried to talk down the US economy in 04 and lost

The US economy is doing very well - and libs cannot accept the fact tax cuts are working

 

[loosecannon]

By not keeping the tax cuts - it is a tax increase

You will have to wait till we have a dem as president to whip out that old saw RSR. NEXT!

Why are libs so hyper to take more money from the producers and give it to the nonproducers?

Why are you making up this tripe?

Historically the GOP always spends more than it taxes and historically Dems rebalance the budget.

It makes little difference which admin raises the taxes to pay for republican programs. The GOP spends like lottery winners and doesn't have the check to cover it.

 

[loosecannon]

Libs tried to talk down the US economy in 04 and lost

The US economy is doing very well - and libs cannot accept the fact tax cuts are working

Repeating these lies doesn't make them true. It just proves that you are a head in the sand denialist.

The economy has been dead flat for 6 years. Fact Jack.

 

[red states rule]

You will have to wait till we have a dem as president to whip out that old saw RSR. NEXT!



Why are you making up this tripe?

Historically the GOP always spends more than it taxes and historically Dems rebalance the budget.

It makes little difference which admin raises the taxes to pay for republican programs. The GOP spends like lottery winners and doesn't have the check to cover it.

I agree Republicans spent to much, but the tax cuts are working

Record revenues to the government, more people working, and paying taxes

 

[Truthmatters]

No but they are what the people who vote on one line of information use to deside.

The current crop of Rs dont need truth they just need one good line.

It short "tax cut"

then they use one more for those who can absorb two lines

"Tax and spend liberals"

when you are simple minded it doesnt have to be the truth just easy to remember.

 

[red states rule]

Tax cuts work everytime

They worked for JFK, Reagan, and Pres Bush

Libs need to uderstand that

 

[loosecannon]

I agree Republicans spent to much, but the tax cuts are working

Record revenues to the government, more people working, and paying taxes

Fewer people working. We have a 60% employment rate among the "working age population" according to the Bureau of labor stats. We have a 90% employment rate even among the "labor force" according to the BLS.

We have a decrease of 35% in new job starts since 2000.

Were it not for the fact that so many baby boomers have retired we would have 10% unemployment.

Revenues always rise. Revenues have to rise approx 4% every year to keep pace with the corrosive inpact of inflation. 4% growth measured in inflated dollars is zero growth.

 

[red states rule]

Fewer people working. We have a 60% employment rate among the "working age population" according to the Bureau of labor stats. We have a 90% employment rate even among the "labor force" according to the BLS.

We have a decrease of 35% in new job starts since 2000.

Were it not for the fact that so many baby boomers have retired we would have 10% unemployment.

Revenues always rise. Revenues have to rise approx 4% every year to keep pace with the corrosive inpact of inflation. 4% growth measured in inflated dollars is zero growth.

If a 4.5% unemployment rate is bad - please give me more

 

[loosecannon]

Tax cuts work everytime

They worked for JFK, Reagan, and Pres Bush

Libs need to uderstand that

You should define what you mean by "tax cuts work".

And perhaps compare that to the deficits for those same admins.

The tax cuts of Reagan, and both Bush's did not grow the economies.

Reagan was faced with a currency collapse as the US dollar was unwinding because Nixon took us off the gold standard. He had to allow inflation and taxes to increase to rescue the dollar.

But those are desperate measures that you have to pay for later.

FDR did essentially the same thing to lift the US out of the depression, but for diff reasons.

Both Bush's simply spent with dangerous abandon. And without any compelling need.

 

[red states rule]

You should define what you mean by "tax cuts work".

And perhaps compare that to the deficits for those same admins.

The tax cuts of Reagan, and both Bush's did not grow the economies.

Reagan was faced with a currency collapse as the US dollar was unwinding because Nixon took us off the gold standard. He had to allow inflation and taxes to increase to rescue the dollar.

But those are desperate measures that you have to pay for later.

FDR did essentially the same thing to lift the US out of the depression, but for diff reasons.

Both Bush's simply spent with dangerous abandon. And without any compelling need.

When Reagan came in after Pres Peanut the US had double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, and near double digit unemployment

The top rate was 70% and it was cut to 28%

The revenue to the government DOUBLED to over $1 trillion

I lived thru Pres Peanut and I saw first hand what the Reagan tax cuts accomplished

Libs have been trying to rewrite history ever since

The same is happeneing now

The Buish tax cuts puleed us out of the Clinton recession

 

[loosecannon]

If a 4.5% unemployment rate is bad - please give me more

You are not listening. Jobs are declining in number. Were it not for record retirements we would have over 10% unemployment.

There is no room in that equation to applaud the Bush economy, jobless recovery or anything else.

We are just lucky that folks are retiring at an opportune moment.

 

[loosecannon]

When Reagan came in after Pres Peanut the US had double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, and near double digit unemployment

Yes during REAGAN's term.

The revenue to the government DOUBLED to over $1 trillion

THAT is inflation. When interest rates are 28% that means you have double digit inflation. Do the math.

Libs have been trying to rewrite history ever since
The same is happeneing now

Yes you are trying to rewrite history, now.

The Buish tax cuts puleed us out of the Clinton recession

The Bush tax cuts have not pulled us out of the Bush recession.

Sorry Charlie you are playing fast and loose with your history revisionism.

 

[loosecannon]

No but they are what the people who vote on one line of information use to deside.

The current crop of Rs dont need truth they just need one good line.

It short "tax cut"

then they use one more for those who can absorb two lines

"Tax and spend liberals"

when you are simple minded it doesnt have to be the truth just easy to remember.

and you need to repeat it over and over again to "catapult the propaganda"*.


(*~GWB)