The Stereotyping of Vietnam Combat Veterans

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    The unfounded depiction of Vietnam Combat Veterans is contained in the testimony below.
    We have spent decades disproving the stereotype that was cast upon us.

    ..I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony....
    WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION

    I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
    They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
    https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html


    The Army's Criminal Investigation Division (CID) opened a case for each witness who claimed to have knowledge of criminal actions by the Army. These cases are described below, with links to the actual Army summary reports.

    WinterSoldier.com - Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations
    The above link addresses every Statement made at the Winter Soldier Investigation
     
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    Talk about a white wash! Duh! Would YOU prove all that if YOU would then become subject to Courts Martial or a war crimes charge and perhaps a lengthy stay in prison?

    Look...let's be honest. The Winter Soldier Hearings were political theater and not much more. They were just a sign of the times and not an indication of anything else. The war was deeply unpopular by then and passions were aroused.

    However...it must be noted that there IS a kernel of truth in that testimony, whether or not any particular claim can be irrefutably proven. Those kind of things DID happen and they did sometimes happen with the knowledge and consent of commanders. Anybody who served outside the wire in Vietnam knows it, whether they'll admit it or not, and particularly those who served late in the war. It's just warfare at its ugliest and is nothing new, nor is it an indictment of anyone.

    It just is what it is.
     
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    You're saying what?

    These things didn't happen? Or we shouldn't talk about them?

    American actions killed 2 million people in Southeast Asia.

    And they didn't die of old age.
     
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    So we sent our men over there, dropped them off in a maelstorn, and then criticize the few that were able to fight their way out? WHAT A BUNCH OF GARBAGE.

    Just like all of humankind there are the good and the bad, just like every good work there are those that would twist it. To demonize those who sacrificed so much...I think that's one of the biggest evils of all.
     
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    Garbage it is! Pure bull shit, great to hear people have such insight into what they know nothing about, not one grain of truth. Crap nothing but crap.
    Merry Christmas
     
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    Pure bullshit? How much time did you spend outside the wire? Heck, were you even there at all?
     
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    No one demonized them at all.

    It's the people that sent them there..with inexperienced leaders, no clear cut mission and no real reason for the fight in the first place that were being questioned.
     
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    When the vets came back, they were demonized, for a long time.

    To deny that is to deny what happened.
     
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    This is what happens when you draft your military. They took everyone in ALL walks of life, and this is what happens when you do that. Theres a percentage of humans that will do horrible things if they feel they can get away with it. I imagine when certain people are on the other side of the planet, in the middle of a jungle, with a gun in their hand, law and order is out the window. There are certain people who only behave because of the rule of law, but when it cant be enforced, their true nature comes out. The traumatic effect of constantly seeing death and misery can only intensify their lack of humanity.
     
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    Don't blame just the draftees!

    Rule of law? In combat? You don't know much about war, do you?
     

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