The "science" is fixed!!!

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    Where are the Republican Scientists?—
    By Kevin Drum
    | Thu Dec. 9, 2010 11:39 AM PST.

    Daniel Sarewitz writes in Slate today about a Pew poll showing that only 6% of scientists identify as Republicans (55% are Democrats and 32% are independents), a state of affairs he finds alarming. Matt Steinglass, though perhaps less alarmed, wishes Sarewitz had spent more time trying to figure out why so few scientists are Republicans. He proposes three possibilities:

    The first is that scientists are hostile towards Republicans, which scares young Republicans away from careers in science. The second is that Republicans are hostile towards science, and don't want to go into careers in science. The third is that young people who go into the sciences tend to end up becoming Democrats, due to factors inherent in the practice of science or to peer-group identification with other scientists.

    I'd add a twist to #2: not that young Republicans are hostile toward science, but that they're more attracted to the business world and its opportunities for vast wealth than to the grind of the laboratory and its upper middle class limits. So that's where they go. Still, here's my take on Matt's three guesses:

    1.This seems uninteresting to me. Of course scientists are hostile toward Republicans. As far as they're concerned, Republicans are troglodytes who don't believe in evolution, don't believe in climate change, want to ban stem cell research, and don't want to fund the NSF. They'd be crazy not to be hostile toward Republicans.2.This one seems quite testable and potentially interesting. Surely there are surveys of children, teenagers, college students, and 30-somethings that correlate political views with intended career choices? (If not, there should be!) I'm not sure what it would tell us, but I'd be curious to see what the trends over time look like.
    3.This also seems uninteresting to me. After all, it's almost certainly true, both for generic reasons of basic group dynamics as well as for the specific reasons outlined in #1.
    Roughly speaking, though, this doesn't seem like such a hard question to me. The more time you spend practicing science, the more time you're going to spend discovering that conservatives hold scientific views that you find preposterous. Sure, liberals have PETA and the odd vaccination fetishist, but really, it's no contest. In the Democratic Party those are just fringe views. Even the anti-GM food folks don't amount to much. The modern Republican Party, by contrast, panders endlessly to the scientific yahooism of its base. What would be amazing is if much more than 6% of the scientific community identified with the Republican Party.

    Where are the Republican Scientists? | Mother Jones













    In other words...........the "science" is fixed. The "science" is what these people determine the "science" needs to be to meet their objectives........to ensure perpetuation of their special intersts.

    What is it like?

    Its like inviting a person to play the game of Science Jeopardy, but the Republican contestant is told at the beginning of the show, "Oh.....and by the way.......you cant use the following letters: A, E, I, O or U.......... Sorry"






    In other words.............the "science" is bogus.




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    There are so few Republicans in science because science requires a higher level of intellect than average. So there are few Republicans that can meet that requirement. Proof of that is the poster above.
     
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    Or the vetting process is a bit jaded. Hmmmm... I wonder????
     
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    Ahhh, the old "If you don't agree with me, you're STUpid!" gambit. Very effective. Does it win you any converts?
     
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    hilarious!
     
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    no... sometimes people really are stupid...


    like the O/P. :)
     
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    Old Cock will just say that you're stupid for asking the question.
     
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    Climate change?

    Evolution?

    Hard work?

    The ability to think rational thoughts?

    Independent thinking?

    Uh-huh, I would go with "number two".
     
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    Oh, no question people can be stupid.
     
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