The politics of division can't last

[RightyTighty]

As we can see here, it's gonna be a while.

How do you get a culture off of bumper sticker sloganeering? How do you get a culture to stop attacking, get over themselves, and open their minds?

I have no idea.
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You have to get people to realize that there are people out there that don't want to live their lives you live your lives.

The Right was the biggest sinner in that case up till a few decades ago, now the left has taken it over.

Society is not a free-for-all. We have rules and every right to set them.

Fine, then don't cry when we make people with penises pee in the Men's room.

When it's all about looks, and it is, the fix is easy. We will change them to make you, not them, comfortable.

 

[RightyTighty]

The Agenda of the US is Liberalism. That's what is was founded on, you just don't like it.

Classical Liberalism, not the current Progressive Statism that masquerades under the title of "Liberal"

Liberalism is liberalism. Who you people call liberals - aren't.

Wrong. Liberalism has always been classically about the individual, progressive Statism most certainly isn't.

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

There is no such thing as individuality and any sort of freedom in a progressive society… Fact

Nonsense. All sorts of nations have freedom, even those with 50% tax-brackets. Save the dogma next time. A waste of letters.

 

[Rustic]

The only real answer is a return to federalism. Most people on the right are OK with that to a degree, but the left is currently founded on the idea of as much power as possible as far removed from the people as possible. They need federal control of as many things as possible to get their agenda implemented.

The Agenda of the US is Liberalism. That's what is was founded on, you just don't like it.

Sure, the founders wanted central control over everything, taxing and spending, men to marry men, no guns, etc. That may be your agenda but it's anti-American.

That's not, mostly, liberalism. Who you marry? Really none of the state's damn business. And guns are allowed here, within reason. As for taxes and spending, that's life. Grow up, Princess.

Change your diaper, Sheila. You can't begin to back up your claims. Libs aren't gun grabbers? If marriage isn't the state's business then why do they issue a license? You don't know what you're talking about.

I don't grab guns, yet, and the state doesn't have to issue a marriage license but if it does then all citizens regardless of their sex must be equal.

Basically you're saying people should work for the government not the other way around… You sick fucker.

 

[RightyTighty]

The Agenda of the US is Liberalism. That's what is was founded on, you just don't like it.

Classical Liberalism, not the current Progressive Statism that masquerades under the title of "Liberal"

Liberalism is liberalism. Who you people call liberals - aren't.

Wrong. Liberalism has always been classically about the individual, progressive Statism most certainly isn't.

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

Then your side definitely is not liberal anymore, all you propose is more power at higher and higher levels of government, further and further away from the people affected.

That's just utter BS.

 

[Doc1]

As we can see here, it's gonna be a while.

How do you get a culture off of bumper sticker sloganeering? How do you get a culture to stop attacking, get over themselves, and open their minds?

I have no idea.
.

You have to get people to realize that there are people out there that don't want to live their lives you live your lives.

The Right was the biggest sinner in that case up till a few decades ago, now the left has taken it over.

Society is not a free-for-all. We have rules and every right to set them.

Fine, then don't cry when we make people with penises pee in the Men's room.

When it's all about looks, and it is, the fix is easy. We will change them to make you, not them, comfortable.

LOL, looks? It's a simple and Scientific fact that if you have a penis you're a man. Having said that in your case I'm not so sure.

 

[RightyTighty]

The Agenda of the US is Liberalism. That's what is was founded on, you just don't like it.

Sure, the founders wanted central control over everything, taxing and spending, men to marry men, no guns, etc. That may be your agenda but it's anti-American.

That's not, mostly, liberalism. Who you marry? Really none of the state's damn business. And guns are allowed here, within reason. As for taxes and spending, that's life. Grow up, Princess.

Change your diaper, Sheila. You can't begin to back up your claims. Libs aren't gun grabbers? If marriage isn't the state's business then why do they issue a license? You don't know what you're talking about.

I don't grab guns, yet, and the state doesn't have to issue a marriage license but if it does then all citizens regardless of their sex must be equal.

Basically you're saying people should work for the government not the other way around… You sick fucker.

Ah, no. But it's the government that makes work possible. Without it there is no capitalism.

 

[martybegan]

Classical Liberalism, not the current Progressive Statism that masquerades under the title of "Liberal"

Liberalism is liberalism. Who you people call liberals - aren't.

Wrong. Liberalism has always been classically about the individual, progressive Statism most certainly isn't.

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

Then your side definitely is not liberal anymore, all you propose is more power at higher and higher levels of government, further and further away from the people affected.

That's just utter BS.

It's the truth, shame you can't own up to it.

 

[RightyTighty]

As we can see here, it's gonna be a while.

How do you get a culture off of bumper sticker sloganeering? How do you get a culture to stop attacking, get over themselves, and open their minds?

I have no idea.
.

You have to get people to realize that there are people out there that don't want to live their lives you live your lives.

The Right was the biggest sinner in that case up till a few decades ago, now the left has taken it over.

Society is not a free-for-all. We have rules and every right to set them.

Fine, then don't cry when we make people with penises pee in the Men's room.

When it's all about looks, and it is, the fix is easy. We will change them to make you, not them, comfortable.

LOL, looks? It's a simple and Scientific fact that if you have a penis you're a man. Having said that in your case I'm not so sure.

Ah, no. Look up XY women and XX men. We have them. XX XY won't cut it.

 

[Rustic]

Classical Liberalism, not the current Progressive Statism that masquerades under the title of "Liberal"

Liberalism is liberalism. Who you people call liberals - aren't.

Wrong. Liberalism has always been classically about the individual, progressive Statism most certainly isn't.

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

There is no such thing as individuality and any sort of freedom in a progressive society… Fact

Nonsense. All sorts of nations have freedom, even those with 50% tax-brackets. Save the dogma next time. A waste of letters.

Obviously, you have no idea what real freedom is. We certainly don't have it here… LOL

 

[RightyTighty]

Liberalism is liberalism. Who you people call liberals - aren't.

Wrong. Liberalism has always been classically about the individual, progressive Statism most certainly isn't.

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

Then your side definitely is not liberal anymore, all you propose is more power at higher and higher levels of government, further and further away from the people affected.

That's just utter BS.

It's the truth, shame you can't own up to it.

It's nothing like the truth, obviously. Wake up, kiddos.

 

[martybegan]

Wrong. Liberalism has always been classically about the individual, progressive Statism most certainly isn't.

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

Then your side definitely is not liberal anymore, all you propose is more power at higher and higher levels of government, further and further away from the people affected.

That's just utter BS.

It's the truth, shame you can't own up to it.

It's nothing like the truth, obviously. Wake up, kiddos.

It is the truth, you just are to stupid to see it, or won't admit you've been called out as the Statist you are.

 

[Rustic]

I'm all for talking with one another but I disagree that we shouldn't blame the politicians.

Our representatives took an oath to defend and protect the constitution of the united states. Despite that representatives of both parties are trying to interfere with our health care despite the constitution giving them no authority to do so.

They have a responsibility to keep their oaths. They assume the responsibility to remind the people of their rights and the limits the constitution places on our government. They have neglected both of these responsibilities.

Let us return to the constitutional standard and raise it so that the honest and wise will gather to it

The only real answer is a return to federalism. Most people on the right are OK with that to a degree, but the left is currently founded on the idea of as much power as possible as far removed from the people as possible. They need federal control of as many things as possible to get their agenda implemented.

The Agenda of the US is Liberalism. That's what it was founded on, you just don't like it.

Na, The federal government basically disregards the 10th amendment. Without the tenth being enforced, there's really no -REAL freedom...

 

[Rustic]

Sure, the founders wanted central control over everything, taxing and spending, men to marry men, no guns, etc. That may be your agenda but it's anti-American.

That's not, mostly, liberalism. Who you marry? Really none of the state's damn business. And guns are allowed here, within reason. As for taxes and spending, that's life. Grow up, Princess.

Change your diaper, Sheila. You can't begin to back up your claims. Libs aren't gun grabbers? If marriage isn't the state's business then why do they issue a license? You don't know what you're talking about.

I don't grab guns, yet, and the state doesn't have to issue a marriage license but if it does then all citizens regardless of their sex must be equal.

Basically you're saying people should work for the government not the other way around… You sick fucker.

Ah, no. But it's the government that makes work possible. Without it there is no capitalism.

Na, without capitalism in a capitalist republic there is no federal government.
Unfortunately progressives and their federal government don't know their place…

 

[Iceweasel]

The only real answer is a return to federalism. Most people on the right are OK with that to a degree, but the left is currently founded on the idea of as much power as possible as far removed from the people as possible. They need federal control of as many things as possible to get their agenda implemented.

The Agenda of the US is Liberalism. That's what is was founded on, you just don't like it.

Classical Liberalism, not the current Progressive Statism that masquerades under the title of "Liberal"

Liberalism is liberalism. Who you people call liberals - aren't.

Wrong. Liberalism has always been classically about the individual, progressive Statism most certainly isn't.

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

Wrong. "Liberalism" is no longer "classic liberalism, which would be a libertarian today. Libs today are leftists, and as such are totalitarian power freaks. The want the state to control every aspect of our lives. The "needs" of the individual are not up to people like you, you make my point.

The state's function is to serve the people, not make sure it's employees needs are taken care of. You're government drone, I'm sure of it now.

 

[Iceweasel]

As we can see here, it's gonna be a while.

How do you get a culture off of bumper sticker sloganeering? How do you get a culture to stop attacking, get over themselves, and open their minds?

I have no idea.
.

You have to get people to realize that there are people out there that don't want to live their lives you live your lives.

The Right was the biggest sinner in that case up till a few decades ago, now the left has taken it over.

Society is not a free-for-all. We have rules and every right to set them.

No, this isn't anarchy but who's "we" if there are those that don't agree with you?

 

[Iceweasel]

The only real answer is a return to federalism. Most people on the right are OK with that to a degree, but the left is currently founded on the idea of as much power as possible as far removed from the people as possible. They need federal control of as many things as possible to get their agenda implemented.

The Agenda of the US is Liberalism. That's what is was founded on, you just don't like it.

Sure, the founders wanted central control over everything, taxing and spending, men to marry men, no guns, etc. That may be your agenda but it's anti-American.

That's not, mostly, liberalism. Who you marry? Really none of the state's damn business. And guns are allowed here, within reason. As for taxes and spending, that's life. Grow up, Princess.

Change your diaper, Sheila. You can't begin to back up your claims. Libs aren't gun grabbers? If marriage isn't the state's business then why do they issue a license? You don't know what you're talking about.

I don't grab guns, yet, and the state doesn't have to issue a marriage license but if it does then all citizens regardless of their sex must be equal.

Yet. At least you're honest. Rare for a lib. If sex is to be equal then we don't need men's and ladies' rooms.

 

[Avatar4321]

As we can see here, it's gonna be a while.

How do you get a culture off of bumper sticker sloganeering? How do you get a culture to stop attacking, get over themselves, and open their minds?

I have no idea.
.

Create a new culture

 

[Aletheia4u]

In 2009 - 2010 Democrats arrogantly cut GOP lawmakers out of the decision making process when crafting the Affordable Care Act, fast forward to 2017 and the GOP has done the same thing to the Democrats when crafting their healthcare bill. The politics of division and exclusion is not sustainable, it has led to the downfall of many world powers through the centuries, and America will not be immune. Conservatives and Liberals....don't blame your lawmakers for this. It's your fault and no one else's! Both Conservatives and Liberals have adopted a bunker mentality when it comes to politics, "my way or the highway" is the prevailing attitude today. I would highly suggest both Conservatives and Liberals stop letting their respective media outlets do their thinking for them. Turn off the TV, and talk to each other, try to understand the other person's point of view, without all the sound bites, and bullet points that both Liberal and Conservative media outlets feed us everyday. Your communities and country will be better off for it.... and it might just make you a better person.

Those are not liberals that are against the President. Liberals represent freedom. But they are not for force vaccinations or being forced to eat their GMO's. And about that Paris climate, some Liberals are being deceived. They think that it represent clean air, but it doesn't. But it represent the Establishment to have power over the world's fuel supply. And Liberals doesn't represent any nations that mistreats their people. But these are organizations that are being paid to masquerade themselves as being Liberals, to disrupt everything that Pres. Trump does. And they has empty minded people that doesn't know nothing, that they are just going along with the flow, thinking that they are going to be in the history books like their grandparents was added to when they had attended Woodstocks.
The Hillary clan that they are using the word liberal to mess with the president's head. And so that when the real Liberals protesters, that comes around protesting against the Establishment, that Pres. Trump will not pay any attention to them. Before Pres. Trump, they has been locking up liberal protesters even just for breathing. But all of a sudden, that the police are letting them to do anything they want. The Establishment has been controlling some of the police forces in this country. Especially Berkeley Ca and Los Angeles Ca. and which I do not see nobody protesting them. And they are the real public abusers. The Establishment has hired corrupted cops that belongs to street gangs ( From Blacks or Whites and Hispanics gangs) in those cities for their own purposes. That is why during the recent Berkeley University riots, that the Berkeley's cops had stand down, because they were told to.Some of these police shootings and beatings wasn't about racism. They were just corrupted cops that has anger issues that was caused by their upbringing.


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[whitehall]

There is another angle to the political division. Remember when Obama, flushed with victory in his election, said "republicans are welcome to come along for the ride but they have to sit in the back of the bus". Instead of criticizing him for his blatant partisanship the mainstream media merely snickered. Then Speaker of the House said "you can find out what is in the bill after it is passed". It meant that she didn't read the thing either and the mainstream media snickered or ignored the comment instead of examining the mess before it was passed. Today the media gets away with blaming republicans for the mess that the democrats created because it wasn't fixed in a timely manner and democrats get away with stonewalling every effort to improve the law or scrap it strictly because of political partisanship which is covered up by the media..

 

[RightyTighty]

Liberalism is about trying to find a balance between the needs of the individual and those of the state required to protect them. They both pose a threat to each other. The game is - balance, and you people suck at that.

Then your side definitely is not liberal anymore, all you propose is more power at higher and higher levels of government, further and further away from the people affected.

That's just utter BS.

It's the truth, shame you can't own up to it.

It's nothing like the truth, obviously. Wake up, kiddos.

It is the truth, you just are to stupid to see it, or won't admit you've been called out as the Statist you are.

The State is a threat to liberty and also, its protector.