The Madness of King George...

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    <center><h1><a href=http://nytimes.com/2004/02/07/opinion/07KRIS.html?pagewanted=print&position=>Secret Obsessions at the Top</a></h1></center>
    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

    <i>To unravel our intelligence failures in Iraq, it helps to look back at what was once one of the most secret and scary chapters in U.S.-Soviet relations. An intelligence failure risked nuclear war in the 1980's — but this was a mistake by the K.G.B.

    In 1981, we now know, the K.G.B. chairman said at a secret conference that President Ronald Reagan was planning to launch a nuclear strike against the Soviet Union. The Soviets became consumed with the U.S. threat, just as the Bush administration became obsessed with the Iraq threat. The K.G.B. ordered all its offices in NATO countries to seek evidence of Mr. Reagan's plans for a pre-emptive nuclear strike, and they code-named the effort RYAN.

    Once K.G.B. officers knew what Moscow wanted, they found "evidence" everywhere of Mr. Reagan's secret plans for a nuclear strike — confirming Moscow's worst fears.

    Then NATO held a nuclear launching exercise in November 1983, playing into the Soviet alarm. The K.G.B. mistakenly reported to Moscow that NATO was on an actual alert. The Soviets put their own forces on alert and braced for a nuclear attack.

    It was "one of the worst nuclear scares since the Cuban missile crisis — and Washington didn't even know it until after it was over," James Risen and Milt Bearden write in their terrific book about the spy wars, "The Main Enemy."

    The parallels between our Iraq intelligence mess and RYAN are telling. When a country's capital is in the grip of hard-line ideologues who demand a certain kind of intelligence, they'll get it. The result is an intelligence failure. And, more fundamentally, it's a political failure by the top leaders themselves.</i>

    It is clear that, from the start, Howdy's administration was systematically misleading Americans and the world about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. For President Bush to so transparently lie about what has and, more importantly, what has not been found is a diservice to the American people and a disgrace to his office. Even more disgraceful are his statements to the effect that we have removed an evil man from power...thus justifying the whole endeavor. It does not, it only reveals the hypocrisy of his administration.
     
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    Yes, and they saw we had a history of murdering hundreds of thousands of our own people. We had a history of attacks on our neighbors. We had a history of systematically raping and torturing our citizens. They saw we had a history of ignoring UN resolutions against our country. Yes, the similarities are striking. :rolleyes:

    Same broken record playing over and over. Constantly claiming about evidence of misleading when it's been just about proven that what was stated was a repeat of intelligence given to them. Constantly claiming lies and yet you haven't been able to produce ONE proven lie. The schtick is outplayed and as useless now as it was in the beginning.
     
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    ...Wait and see, shall we?
     
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    I'm curious. Why all the concern about how Hussein "kills his own people"? Would he be better if he killed OTHER people? WE kill our own people (Waco, Ruby Ridge, the death penalty in many states and the federal government), but nobody sees that as justification for, say, Canada nuking us.
     
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    You are comparing Waco, RR & the death penalty to the systematic killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? :laugh:

    Get a clue.
     
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    Alright Jim! You must have found a history book! Every nation in the history of this planet has done what you above stated. What was going on in Iraq were internal problems of that country. Let them sort it out.
     
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    Sure, defying UN resolutions is an internal problem. :rolleyes:

    Clue - find one.
     

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