Discussion in 'Military' started by ginscpy, Mar 16, 2011.
war is hell..............................
To put it a different way you could say that two bombs killed as many people as 3,500 bombing sorties.
One low-level raid in Toyko killed more than 100,000
Life was pretty cheap in 1945. Japan's navy was finished after the battle of the Philippine Sea and it's air defenses were limited to kids who could barely fly steering their planes into American ships. The country was still led by Bushido fools but they knew they lost the war. The eggheads who devoloped the Bomb were just itching to try it out on real people and the US military was ready to kill civilians wholesale to teach the Japanese military a lesson. Meanwhile the Japanese were trying to negotiate terms of surrender but Truman refused to talk. The stage was set for the only nuclear attack in history.
My wifes' Grandfather was at Hiroshima. He said Japan wasn't going to surrender unless America dropped the bomb.
But the heck with that, you wanna' see my NCAA Tournament picks?
Japan was a defeated country. It had no navy left and no air defenses. We were bombing the country in daylight raids 24/7. We wouldn't even consider it under any circumstances today but for the sake of argument let's say the A-Bomb was a legitimate last resort when negotiation failed. The problem with the legend is that Truman never tried to negotiate with the Japanese holdouts. Japan was trying to negotiate with Stalin when 180,000 civilians were killed in a single blast and another 40,000 were incinerated a couple of days later. The most important issue according to the Japanese was preventing the emperor from being tried and executed and ironically that issue was conceded after the bombs were dropped.
Truman was constrained by the agreements made at Yalta. NO separate peace, all axis powers surrender unconditionally.
He also had the casualty reports from Saipan, Iwo and Okinawa.
The Japanese were not going to give in without being convinced.
The japanese proposals were not acceptable, they were just making noise.
I personally would have preferred a peace on some other terms that meant that Russia never got involved. As it was, Russia got Manchuria and Northern Korea.
I think the point still stands----civilian deaths from US firebombing far surpassed those of the nukes.
The point is offensive. Trivializing a nuclear attack by comparing it to civilian deaths in thousands of firebomb raids is insane.
Offensive to whom ? Civilian deaths are horrifying whether it be by firebombing, nukes or sticks. There were more --way more that came from US firebombing. Are you trying to disguise that ?
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