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We do a lot of things not spelled out in the Constitution, that doesn't make them unconstitutional
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We do a lot of things not spelled out in the Constitution, that doesn't make them unconstitutional
Heh.. harder than in need to be, I dare say.
But that still leaves us with the issue that liberals do want to "spend other peoples' money", even if it includes their own. If they were only interested in spending their own money (to help the poor, or for whatever cause they thought was worthy) they'd just do it. They wouldn't propose a law forcing all of us to.
True, but then on the flip side, it can be said Conservatives love spending liberals money on things like the military and war, which many liberals would rather not have their tax dollars go to. But thats the whole point, tax revenues come from everyone to be spent on a variety of things. What you think that money should be spent on is your opinion, but for someone to say "libs love to spend other peoples money" is no less valid than "cons love to spend other peoples money". It's just on different things and thus a ridiculous cliche.
Right, which is what I was addressing earlier (perhaps too abstractly). The power to force conformity in how we choose to spend our money (or do other things via government) should be used only when absolutely necessary. The reasons libs get tagged for this more often than cons is that they have, traditionally, been in favor of expanding the contexts in which this kind of conformity is considered necessary.
If you're so concerned with the people that need a helping hand I would urge you to go out and give them one, and quit trying to force the taxpayers into footing the bill for you.
But I don't have time. Can't someone else do it for me?
If you're so concerned with the people that need a helping hand I would urge you to go out and give them one, and quit trying to force the taxpayers into footing the bill for you.
But I don't have time. Can't someone else do it for me?
I suggest a simple letter be sent to all tax payers asking if they feel it is the government's job to support those too lazy to support themselves.
All those that support tax funded "charity" would be sent a bill for their share.
Thanks, that wasn't so hard.
Heh.. harder than in needed to be, I dare say.
But that still leaves us with the issue that liberals do want to "spend other peoples' money", even if it includes their own. If they were only interested in spending their own money (to help the poor, or for whatever cause they thought was worthy) they'd just do it. They wouldn't propose a law forcing all of us to.
I don't want to be "forced" to support wars or our drug laws and yet I am.
This is why I say that "Independents" and "Moderates" who post on message boards are either Lying or just stipud
Heh.. harder than in needed to be, I dare say.
But that still leaves us with the issue that liberals do want to "spend other peoples' money", even if it includes their own. If they were only interested in spending their own money (to help the poor, or for whatever cause they thought was worthy) they'd just do it. They wouldn't propose a law forcing all of us to.
I don't want to be "forced" to support wars or our drug laws and yet I am.
The military is authorized under the Constitution, therefore we ALL must pay for it, even if we disagree on it's application.
It all boils down to the use of force through theft or violence. Whether you believe the govt. should provide something that belongs to someone else, or you think that paying to promote murder/death is atrocious.
I believe both are. That is the difference between people like dblack and a bunch of others (myself included) and the left/right players. The left wants to take your money and give it to someone else (they also apparently liek to take your money and kill with it) and the right wants to pretend they dont want to help the poor, but are more than happy to take from you to kill.
Force through theft and violence is not the answer to any of our problems and a free society it DOES NOT make. Period.
I didn't even mention "poor people" I said "those too lazy to support themselves".But I don't have time. Can't someone else do it for me?
I suggest a simple letter be sent to all tax payers asking if they feel it is the government's job to support those too lazy to support themselves.
All those that support tax funded "charity" would be sent a bill for their share.
Good to know that you think of ALL poor people as lazy.
Yes I know you didn't say all, but you certainly didn't even try to make a distinction. Now THAT is lazy.
It all boils down to the use of force through theft or violence. Whether you believe the govt. should provide something that belongs to someone else, or you think that paying to promote murder/death is atrocious.
I believe both are. That is the difference between people like dblack and a bunch of others (myself included) and the left/right players. The left wants to take your money and give it to someone else (they also apparently liek to take your money and kill with it) and the right wants to pretend they dont want to help the poor, but are more than happy to take from you to kill.
Force through theft and violence is not the answer to any of our problems and a free society it DOES NOT make. Period.
Do you feel that all taxes are "force through theft and violence"?
I didn't even mention "poor people" I said "those too lazy to support themselves".I suggest a simple letter be sent to all tax payers asking if they feel it is the government's job to support those too lazy to support themselves.
All those that support tax funded "charity" would be sent a bill for their share.
Good to know that you think of ALL poor people as lazy.
Yes I know you didn't say all, but you certainly didn't even try to make a distinction. Now THAT is lazy.
Please don't be putting words in my mouth.
It all boils down to the use of force through theft or violence. Whether you believe the govt. should provide something that belongs to someone else, or you think that paying to promote murder/death is atrocious.
I believe both are. That is the difference between people like dblack and a bunch of others (myself included) and the left/right players. The left wants to take your money and give it to someone else (they also apparently liek to take your money and kill with it) and the right wants to pretend they dont want to help the poor, but are more than happy to take from you to kill.
Force through theft and violence is not the answer to any of our problems and a free society it DOES NOT make. Period.
Do you feel that all taxes are "force through theft and violence"?
All taxes? No. Consumer or user taxes are based on choice. You can choose not to utilize those products or what have you. Income taxation is most certainly theft by force/violence.
Do you feel that all taxes are "force through theft and violence"?
All taxes? No. Consumer or user taxes are based on choice. You can choose not to utilize those products or what have you. Income taxation is most certainly theft by force/violence.
So there should be no income taxes? State or Federal? What about medicare/SS taxes? Should we do away with those programs completely?
Do you feel that all taxes are "force through theft and violence"?
All taxes? No. Consumer or user taxes are based on choice. You can choose not to utilize those products or what have you. Income taxation is most certainly theft by force/violence.
So there should be no income taxes? State or Federal? What about medicare/SS taxes? Should we do away with those programs completely?
I didn't even mention "poor people" I said "those too lazy to support themselves".Good to know that you think of ALL poor people as lazy.
Yes I know you didn't say all, but you certainly didn't even try to make a distinction. Now THAT is lazy.
Please don't be putting words in my mouth.
Ok, then how do you define those people? I agree with the idea of not supporting those too lazy to support themselves, but how do you make a real world distinction?
All taxes? No. Consumer or user taxes are based on choice. You can choose not to utilize those products or what have you. Income taxation is most certainly theft by force/violence.
So there should be no income taxes? State or Federal? What about medicare/SS taxes? Should we do away with those programs completely?
No, there should not be. States that levy income taxation for provided services have the authority to enforce those. People also have the right to move through states should they not like those taxes or service. SS and medicare, or any other federally determined blanket such as these, are unconstitutional and therefore, not authorized. And yes, they are theft by force/violence.
I didn't even mention "poor people" I said "those too lazy to support themselves".
Please don't be putting words in my mouth.
Ok, then how do you define those people? I agree with the idea of not supporting those too lazy to support themselves, but how do you make a real world distinction?
First of all, if you're capable of standing on a corner smoking dope with your posse, you can get a fucking job. If you have no physical or mental handicap that prevents you from flipping burgers, cleaning school toilets or pushing a lawn mower, you should be able to find employment in a reasonable length of time. I would support mandatory paid 13 week training programs all must attend after the initial 13 weeks of unemployment compensation. 3 months should be plenty of time to learn how to flip a burger and make change at a cash register, stock store shelves or sweep a high school hallway, even for a Liberal.
So there should be no income taxes? State or Federal? What about medicare/SS taxes? Should we do away with those programs completely?
No, there should not be. States that levy income taxation for provided services have the authority to enforce those. People also have the right to move through states should they not like those taxes or service. SS and medicare, or any other federally determined blanket such as these, are unconstitutional and therefore, not authorized. And yes, they are theft by force/violence.
What do you propose that seniors do who can't work anymore and who have medical costs far exceeding their savings?