The Fifth Proof of God

[ding]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

 

[Taz]

So there's an invisible being directing you to be an asshole?

 

[ding]

So there's an invisible being directing you to be an asshole?

No. I come by that honestly.

 

[Marion Morrison]

So there's an invisible being directing you to be an asshole?

No. I come by that honestly.

..and naturally.

 

[JoeB131]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

None of htis is proof of the malicious bronze age sky fairy called Yahweh.

 

[ding]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

None of htis is proof of the malicious bronze age sky fairy called Yahweh.

That's good because it wasn't intended to do that.

Stop jumping to conclusions that aren't there, Joe.

 

[Vastator]

Again; this is another reiteration of the “I don’t know; therefore “God” mantra. One could write these so called proofs ad nauseum, and never prove anything...

 

[ding]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

 

[Vastator]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

 

[Vastator]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

1. No. We don’t. What we see is cause, and effect. So this one is incorrect...

2. “Most” as used here invalidates the whole as it is an admition of inconsistency. So, this one is incorrect as well...

3.Incorrect again. Not all arrows actually reach their intended target. They are susceptible to poor skill, bad equipment, and outside environmental factors. This example is rife with inconsistencies. Therefore; this example is demonstrably incorrect.

4. Debunked. Because this conclusion is predicated on the previous 3 observations, which were handily proven incorrect

 

[ding]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

 

[Vastator]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

Those obsevations don't demonstrate purpose.

 

[ding]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

Those obsevations don't demonstrate purpose.

When you make something do you do it for a reason?

 

[Vastator]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

Those obsevations don't demonstrate purpose.

When you make something do you do it for a reason?

You're putting the cart before the horse...

 

[jillian]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

there is still no PROOF of G-d. G-d is about faith.

why do you keep doing this?

 

[dannyboys]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

It isn’t “proof” of anything. It’s a series of observations.

Observations that conclude everything has purpose which it does.

The conclusion that it is directed instead of random is based upon the observation that everything has purpose.

Another way to say this is that it is the nature of any creation to be the realization of some intention. We can use our own experiences to know that what we create is what we intended to create and that we created for a purpose.

I see you've recently taken up smoking peyote.

 

[Taz]

So there's an invisible being directing you to be an asshole?

No. I come by that honestly.

So there’s a god out there making assholes like you? God must be a real doofus.

 

[Picaro]

Ummmm.... no. It is a logical proof.

Which of course is why they're baffled and terrified of it. They can't stay away from this forum out of deep neurotic doubts and their pagan superstitions.

 

[Picaro]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

there is still no PROOF of G-d. G-d is about faith.

why do you keep doing this?

Why does he keep discussing religion and ethics in the Religion and Ethics forum?

Another rationalist enters the forum.

 

[Picaro]

The Fifth Way: Argument from Design

1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
   
   
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
   
   
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
   
   
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God.

None of htis is proof of the malicious bronze age sky fairy called Yahweh.

That's good because it wasn't intended to do that.

Stop jumping to conclusions that aren't there, Joe.

That's the only kind of conclusions he ever has.