The Divider vs. the Thinker

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    People are increasingly fearing the divisions within, even the potential coming apart of, our country. Rich/poor, black/white, young/old, red/blue: The things that divide us are not new, yet there's a sense now that the glue that held us together for more than two centuries has thinned and cracked with age. That it was allowed to thin and crack, that the modern era wore it out.

    What was the glue? A love of country based on a shared knowledge of how and why it began; a broad feeling among our citizens that there was something providential in our beginnings; a gratitude that left us with a sense that we should comport ourselves in a way unlike the other nations of the world, that more was expected of us, and not unjustly—"To whom much is given much is expected"; a general understanding that we were something new in history, a nation founded on ideals and aspirations—liberty, equality—and not mere grunting tribal wants. We were from Europe but would not be European: No formal class structure here, no limits, from the time you touched ground all roads would lead forward. You would be treated not as your father was but as you deserved. That's from "The Killer Angels," a historical novel about the civil war fought to right a wrong the Founders didn't right. We did in time, and at great cost. What a country.


    But there is a broad fear out there that we are coming apart, or rather living through the moment we'll look back on as the beginning of the Great Coming Apart. Economic crisis, cultural stresses: "Half the country isn't speaking to the other half," a moderate Democrat said the other day. She was referring to liberals of her acquaintance who know little of the South and who don't wish to know of it, who write it off as apart from them, maybe beneath them.


    The Divider vs. the Thinker - WSJ.com
     
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    Where is the president in all this? He doesn't seem to be as worried about his country's continuance as his own. He's out campaigning and talking of our problems, but he seems oddly oblivious to or detached from America's deeper fears. And so he feels free to exploit divisions. It's all the rich versus the rest, and there are a lot more of the latter.








    YES YES YES..
     
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    Read some of the hateful musings of our fellow posters.

    How does one make folks understand that we're all in this mess together?

    We don't need to worry about that.

    When the wolf finally comes to enough doors in America, Americans will wake up.

    The Tea Party and the OWS movement are evidence that that is already happening.

    The fact that these two groups disagree on the causes of the problem and the solutions, too, doesn't much matter.

    The important thing to remember is that the discontent in the population is becoming mainstream.

    The center will not hold, you worry?

    Good, because the center is the real problem.

    The center continues to believe that things are okay and that its just villians causing the problems.

    The system doesn't WORK anymore, folks.

    It is failing a greater and greater percentage of the population every year.

    The center must collapse before we will be willing to RETHINK the social contract.

    Think in terms of what the social contract looked like in 1850.

    And then consider what it looked like in 1950.

    That sort of gives us an idea about how much must change before this society will once again function well enough for enough of us.
     
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    They dont evern remember sayoing things like REAL AMERICANS.

    they spew nonstop hate and have to be shamed out of violent speach and then blame their target for devisions in this country?
     
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    Why would it not become mainstream with a divider like obama?
     
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    And to one of your points: The system doesn't WORK anymore, folks.

    Here is just one example as to why:



    “On the domestic side, both Democrats and Republicans have really made it very difficult for the president to be anything like a chief executive,” Daley says. “This has led to a kind of frustration.”

    The president’s solution? “Let’s figure out what we can do [without Congress] and push the envelope on some of these things,” Daley says.

    Daley recognizes that there are three branches of government and the president leads only one of them, but now is the time for him to flex his muscles and show what he can do without the squabbling, ineffective — and far less popular than even he — Congress.


    Read more: Exclusive: Bill Daley, unplugged - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com
     
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    Dysfunction is when a government agency NLRB is allowed to tell an American corporation where they can do business.. too fucking much government.
     
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    from the article.



    Twenty twelve won't be "as sexy" as 2008, he said this week. It will be all brute force. Which will only add to the feeling of unease.




    way to go demonRats.
     
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    Which party is refusing ANY attempts at compromise?

    which party has voted against their OWN bills when the president backs them?
     
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    so you're good with BRUTE FORCE?
     

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