The Constitution was not built for this

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.” ibid

True.

The Framers also intended the impeachment process to be used to safeguard the people from imperious dullards such as Trump – from their arrogance and abuse of power.

 

[JustAGuy1]

“The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.” ibid

True.

The Framers also intended the impeachment process to be used to safeguard the people from imperious dullards such as Trump – from their arrogance and abuse of power.

Tell your bitch to hand over the Articles, let's get the trial going.

 

[blackhawk]

I think it's amusing that the same people who are pitching a fit about things being unfair and partisan in the Senate are the same people who thought everything the House did was fair and bi-partisan. Yes the Senate is being partisan just like the House was Mitch McConnell is no more biased on the Senate side than Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler were on the House side people want to complain about this fine just be sure to include your side in it as well.

 

[Dragonlady]

In anticipation of the reflexive "Vox, ha ha" response from Trumpists I'll say what I always say, disparaging the source of information loses all credibility if you can't factually refute what they report.
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Republicans’ vote against Trump’s impeachment reveals a broken system — and a democracy at real risk of failure.
The Constitution was not built for this

"President Donald Trump deserved to be impeached over his conduct in the Ukraine affair. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did the right thing by pushing for an impeachment vote, and Democrats (all but a handful of them) did the right thing by voting to impeach.

But not a single Republican did. And the GOP’s willingness to back the president to the hilt, in spite of clear and obvious evidence of abuses of power, speaks to an urgent threat to American democracy: Our constitutional system is ill-equipped to withstand extreme polarization.

The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.

“Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent?” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 65. “What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?”

The highly partisan House vote, and the universal assessment in Washington that the Senate will vote to acquit Trump on party lines, reveals that Hamilton’s assumptions about our institutions no longer hold true. Under conditions of extreme polarization, where at least one party cares more about defeating its political opponents than safeguarding against abuses of power, the impeachment power is neutered unless the president’s opposition has the House and a two-thirds majority in the Senate (an extremely unlikely set of circumstances)."
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Clearly the founders did not consider the possibility of Faux........an infotainment network dedicated to disinformation. Nor did they consider the possibility an entire congressional caucus would abdicate their responsibility to their oath of office, to the Constitution, and to their country by ignoring the overwhelming evidence of a prez's impeachable wrongdoing in order to protect their seat in government. IOW, they never contemplated the cowardice and duplicity of the POT.........party of Trump.

the Constitution is not designed for much of what goes on in Washington. This is just another episode.

what I don’t get is this...if the Chief Justice presides, what in the Constitution gives the Senate Majority Leader any power in this matter?

I believe, for one thing, he can control what votes come to the floor during the Senate proceeding. All the decisions will be made by a simple majority vote, but McTreason can control what is voted on.

The also control the supoena power in the impeachment. Remember how Devon Nunes pooched the Intel Committee's Russia investigation by refusing to call relevant witnesses, and then basing his Report on the false testimony of witnesses who admitted they lied to Congress.

 

[MarcATL]

Tell your bitch to hand over the Articles, let's get the trial going.

What witnesses would you like to see in this trial partisan?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In anticipation of the reflexive "Vox, ha ha" response from Trumpists I'll say what I always say, disparaging the source of information loses all credibility if you can't factually refute what they report.
..................................................................................................................................
Republicans’ vote against Trump’s impeachment reveals a broken system — and a democracy at real risk of failure.
The Constitution was not built for this

"President Donald Trump deserved to be impeached over his conduct in the Ukraine affair. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did the right thing by pushing for an impeachment vote, and Democrats (all but a handful of them) did the right thing by voting to impeach.

But not a single Republican did. And the GOP’s willingness to back the president to the hilt, in spite of clear and obvious evidence of abuses of power, speaks to an urgent threat to American democracy: Our constitutional system is ill-equipped to withstand extreme polarization.

The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.

“Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent?” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 65. “What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?”

The highly partisan House vote, and the universal assessment in Washington that the Senate will vote to acquit Trump on party lines, reveals that Hamilton’s assumptions about our institutions no longer hold true. Under conditions of extreme polarization, where at least one party cares more about defeating its political opponents than safeguarding against abuses of power, the impeachment power is neutered unless the president’s opposition has the House and a two-thirds majority in the Senate (an extremely unlikely set of circumstances)."
.............................................................................................................................
Clearly the founders did not consider the possibility of Faux........an infotainment network dedicated to disinformation. Nor did they consider the possibility an entire congressional caucus would abdicate their responsibility to their oath of office, to the Constitution, and to their country by ignoring the overwhelming evidence of a prez's impeachable wrongdoing in order to protect their seat in government. IOW, they never contemplated the cowardice and duplicity of the POT.........party of Trump.

Maybe you can impeach him again. It's a great way to forever end the Stalinist democrat

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Tell your bitch to hand over the Articles, let's get the trial going.

What witnesses would you like to see in this trial partisan?

No witnesses, just a directed verdict as the prosecution failed to present a case

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is time to pass laws governing both Impeachment in the House and Trial in the Senate.

Establishing pre-defined procedures for each that will satisfy the American insistence upon True Justice.

That way, partisan hacks in both House and Senate will be obliged to follow a prescribed set of rules.

Nope.

I think this Impeachment face will end the democrat Party and that should be the lesson for future generations

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is time to pass laws governing both Impeachment in the House and Trial in the Senate.

Establishing pre-defined procedures for each that will satisfy the American insistence upon True Justice.

That way, partisan hacks in both House and Senate will be obliged to follow a prescribed set of rules.

Rule #1, witnesses with information pertinent to the charges the prez is facing should be allowed to testify. House Dems were willing to abide by such a rule, McTreason is apparently not.

Odd, weren't they supposed to testify, you know to show evidence of high crimes?

 

[MarcATL]

No witnesses, just a directed verdict as the prosecution failed to present a case

A trial w/o a witness?

The "prosecution" presented an iron-clad case, that you're in a fantasy land that has nothing to do w/reality means nothing.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC

 

[OKTexas]

In anticipation of the reflexive "Vox, ha ha" response from Trumpists I'll say what I always say, disparaging the source of information loses all credibility if you can't factually refute what they report.
..................................................................................................................................
Republicans’ vote against Trump’s impeachment reveals a broken system — and a democracy at real risk of failure.
The Constitution was not built for this

"President Donald Trump deserved to be impeached over his conduct in the Ukraine affair. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did the right thing by pushing for an impeachment vote, and Democrats (all but a handful of them) did the right thing by voting to impeach.

But not a single Republican did. And the GOP’s willingness to back the president to the hilt, in spite of clear and obvious evidence of abuses of power, speaks to an urgent threat to American democracy: Our constitutional system is ill-equipped to withstand extreme polarization.

The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.

“Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent?” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 65. “What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?”

The highly partisan House vote, and the universal assessment in Washington that the Senate will vote to acquit Trump on party lines, reveals that Hamilton’s assumptions about our institutions no longer hold true. Under conditions of extreme polarization, where at least one party cares more about defeating its political opponents than safeguarding against abuses of power, the impeachment power is neutered unless the president’s opposition has the House and a two-thirds majority in the Senate (an extremely unlikely set of circumstances)."
.............................................................................................................................
Clearly the founders did not consider the possibility of Faux........an infotainment network dedicated to disinformation. Nor did they consider the possibility an entire congressional caucus would abdicate their responsibility to their oath of office, to the Constitution, and to their country by ignoring the overwhelming evidence of a prez's impeachable wrongdoing in order to protect their seat in government. IOW, they never contemplated the cowardice and duplicity of the POT.........party of Trump.

Well this quote proves Vox has morons for writers and editors. I seriously doubt your leftwing hate site meant to say it this way.

The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain.

Because this is exactly what a president is supposed to do.


.

 

[MarcATL]

Nope.

I think this Impeachment face will end the democrat Party and that should be the lesson for future generations

Describe how the party will be "ended."

This outta be good.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.” ibid

True.

The Framers also intended the impeachment process to be used to safeguard the people from imperious dullards such as Trump – from their arrogance and abuse of power.

Tell your bitch to hand over the Articles, let's get the trial going.

Such is the reprehensible, misogynist right.

Trump has only himself to blame for the disgrace of impeachment.

And it’s incumbent upon the Speaker to make an effort to ensure the Articles of Impeachment are given a fair hearing in a fair trial, however futile those efforts might be in a Senate controlled by blind partisan Republicans.

 

[2aguy]

In anticipation of the reflexive "Vox, ha ha" response from Trumpists I'll say what I always say, disparaging the source of information loses all credibility if you can't factually refute what they report.
..................................................................................................................................
Republicans’ vote against Trump’s impeachment reveals a broken system — and a democracy at real risk of failure.
The Constitution was not built for this

"President Donald Trump deserved to be impeached over his conduct in the Ukraine affair. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did the right thing by pushing for an impeachment vote, and Democrats (all but a handful of them) did the right thing by voting to impeach.

But not a single Republican did. And the GOP’s willingness to back the president to the hilt, in spite of clear and obvious evidence of abuses of power, speaks to an urgent threat to American democracy: Our constitutional system is ill-equipped to withstand extreme polarization.

The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.

“Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent?” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 65. “What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?”

The highly partisan House vote, and the universal assessment in Washington that the Senate will vote to acquit Trump on party lines, reveals that Hamilton’s assumptions about our institutions no longer hold true. Under conditions of extreme polarization, where at least one party cares more about defeating its political opponents than safeguarding against abuses of power, the impeachment power is neutered unless the president’s opposition has the House and a two-thirds majority in the Senate (an extremely unlikely set of circumstances)."
.............................................................................................................................
Clearly the founders did not consider the possibility of Faux........an infotainment network dedicated to disinformation. Nor did they consider the possibility an entire congressional caucus would abdicate their responsibility to their oath of office, to the Constitution, and to their country by ignoring the overwhelming evidence of a prez's impeachable wrongdoing in order to protect their seat in government. IOW, they never contemplated the cowardice and duplicity of the POT.........party of Trump.

That is your opinion, doofus......for the sane people out there the democrats worked with Russians to create the steele dossier which the obama administration used to get illegal FISA warrants to spy on Trump...the biggest political scandal in our history.

The enemies of our country are the democrat party.....they are using the impeachment process in ways the founders knew might happen but hoped wouldn't happen....the democrats are the party of evil in this country, from slavery to siding with the communists in China and Russia, to now attacking all of our restraining institutions so they can acquire power and control...

They need to be kept from the levers of power...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nope.

I think this Impeachment face will end the democrat Party and that should be the lesson for future generations

Describe how the party will be "ended."

This outta be good.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC

Let's talk after November elections

 

[2aguy]

It is time to pass laws governing both Impeachment in the House and Trial in the Senate.

Establishing pre-defined procedures for each that will satisfy the American insistence upon True Justice.

That way, partisan hacks in both House and Senate will be obliged to follow a prescribed set of rules.

Rule #1, witnesses with information pertinent to the charges the prez is facing should be allowed to testify. House Dems were willing to abide by such a rule, McTreason is apparently not.

No, doofus, they weren't....because they didn't take the witness issue to the courts because they had to hurry impeachment up because of ginsburg on her deathbed and the democrat primaries you dumb ass........if they really wanted those guys to testify they would have gone to court to get the ruling....they didn't....now they want to try to do it in the Senate.....you dumb ass....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No witnesses, just a directed verdict as the prosecution failed to present a case

A trial w/o a witness?

The "prosecution" presented an iron-clad case, that you're in a fantasy land that has nothing to do w/reality means nothing.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC

Iron clad? LOL! Can't even site a statute or a real crime!

Directed verdict is the ONLY option when the Prosecution failed to present a case

 

[Dale Smith]

In anticipation of the reflexive "Vox, ha ha" response from Trumpists I'll say what I always say, disparaging the source of information loses all credibility if you can't factually refute what they report.
..................................................................................................................................
Republicans’ vote against Trump’s impeachment reveals a broken system — and a democracy at real risk of failure.
The Constitution was not built for this

"President Donald Trump deserved to be impeached over his conduct in the Ukraine affair. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did the right thing by pushing for an impeachment vote, and Democrats (all but a handful of them) did the right thing by voting to impeach.

But not a single Republican did. And the GOP’s willingness to back the president to the hilt, in spite of clear and obvious evidence of abuses of power, speaks to an urgent threat to American democracy: Our constitutional system is ill-equipped to withstand extreme polarization.

The framers designed impeachment to be a check on a president who twists the office’s powers for public gain. The system only works, however, under the assumption that members of Congress — particularly in the Senate, which has the power to remove the president — will be capable of separating their interests from those of the president’s.

“Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent?” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 65. “What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?”

The highly partisan House vote, and the universal assessment in Washington that the Senate will vote to acquit Trump on party lines, reveals that Hamilton’s assumptions about our institutions no longer hold true. Under conditions of extreme polarization, where at least one party cares more about defeating its political opponents than safeguarding against abuses of power, the impeachment power is neutered unless the president’s opposition has the House and a two-thirds majority in the Senate (an extremely unlikely set of circumstances)."
.............................................................................................................................
Clearly the founders did not consider the possibility of Faux........an infotainment network dedicated to disinformation. Nor did they consider the possibility an entire congressional caucus would abdicate their responsibility to their oath of office, to the Constitution, and to their country by ignoring the overwhelming evidence of a prez's impeachable wrongdoing in order to protect their seat in government. IOW, they never contemplated the cowardice and duplicity of the POT.........party of Trump.

What a load of bullshit. I bet it took you thirty minutes to post that pack of fictional prose. Trump isn't going anywhere and you have 5 more years of shining to go. Your gnashing of teeth will be music to our ears.

 

[MarcATL]

Iron clad? LOL! Can't even site a statute or a real crime!

Directed verdict is the ONLY option when the Prosecution failed to present a case

"Statue?", "Crime?"

Dumb, dumb, impeachment is a POLITICAL process, mean't specifically for high crimes and misdemeanors, and abuse of power.

 

[2aguy]

Iron clad? LOL! Can't even site a statute or a real crime!

Directed verdict is the ONLY option when the Prosecution failed to present a case

"Statue?", "Crime?"

Dumb, dumb, impeachment is a POLITICAL process, mean't specifically for high crimes and misdemeanors, and abuse of power.

Which is why the democrats rushed it and now won't put it before the Senate....Trump did nothing wrong except....GRRRRR, Orange Man Bad...Beat Hilary....GRRRRRR