The Constitution was designed to make liberalism illegal.

[AVG-JOE]

So why is Liberalism so tolerated today? What is wrong with us?

The United States Constitution is one of the most liberal documents in history.

In terms of classical liberalsim, yes.
Classical Liberalism amd Modern American Liberalism are almost completely unrelated.

Personally I think it stupid to consider 'liberalism' in terms of 'modern' and 'classic' versions, which are polar opposites of each other. The concept is less than 350 years old.

More likely, the status quo fears the power liberalism gives to the middle and working classes so they use their media power to wrap the concept in blankets of socialism and communism because voters stupid enough to still hold on to the trickle down theory will believe just about anything.

The biggest problem with liberalism is that there are so few American voters willing to expend the energy required to think for themselves, which is a prerequisite for joining the club.

 

[geauxtohell]

So why is Liberalism so tolerated today? What is wrong with us?

Actually, it was designed to keep illiterate morons like you from screwing up the country.

Considering your total and complete impotence when it comes to accomplishing anything of worth in this country (politically speaking), it is doing a fabulous job.

 

[rightwinger]

The United States Constitution is one of the most liberal documents in history.

In terms of classical liberalsim, yes.
Classical Liberalism amd Modern American Liberalism are almost completely unrelated.

Personally I think it stupid to consider 'liberalism' in terms of 'modern' and 'classic' versions, which are polar opposites of each other. The concept is less than 350 years old.

More likely, the status quo fears the power liberalism gives to the middle and working classes so they use their media power to wrap the concept in blankets of socialism and communism because voters stupid enough to still hold on to the trickle down theory will believe just about anything.

The biggest problem with liberalism is that there are so few American voters willing to expend the energy required to think for themselves, which is a prerequisite for joining the club.

Tea Baggers hold this view that somehow it makes sense for Americans who lived 235 years ago are the ones best suited to decide what is best for our society

 

[Brutus]

More likely, the status quo fears the power liberalism gives to the middle and working classes

too stupid and perfectly liberal!! America's greatness is based on freedom from liberal centralized power. America was founded by those who wanted to be free not liberals who wanted power over others.

because voters stupid enough to still hold on to the trickle down theory will believe just about anything.

too stupid! Do you want trickle up: tax cuts to the poor who don't pay taxes anyway so they will invent new products and create new jobs!!. See why we are positive the liberal will have a low IQ?

Tea Baggers hold this view that somehow it makes sense for Americans who lived 235 years ago are the ones best suited to decide what is best for our society

Our founders were the greatest geniues in human history. They created the greatest country in human history because they understood liberal government had stopped human development for 5 million years.

If you want to go back to Kings or Nazis or communists why not move to Cuba where you belong, liberal!

 

[Brutus]

The Democrats, for the most part, are NOT liberals.

did you know the Democrats and Republicans almost always disagree when they vote in the Congress. This is because they have opposite philosophies. Conservatives are for freedom from big liberal government while liberals are for bigger and bigger liberal government because they stupidly believe government is magical despite what the last 5 million years has shown.

And now even you know your ABC's

 

[Brutus]

The United States Constitution is one of the most liberal documents in history.

you mean "classical liberal" or modern conservative,.i.e., about freedom and liberty from government.

And now another liberal knows his ABC's

 

[rightwinger]

More likely, the status quo fears the power liberalism gives to the middle and working classes

too stupid and perfectly liberal!! America's greatness is based on freedom from liberal centralized power. America was founded by those who wanted to be free not liberals who wanted power over others.

because voters stupid enough to still hold on to the trickle down theory will believe just about anything.

too stupid! Do you want trickle up: tax cuts to the poor who don't pay taxes anyway so they will invent new products and create new jobs!!. See why we are positive the liberal will have a low IQ?

Tea Baggers hold this view that somehow it makes sense for Americans who lived 235 years ago are the ones best suited to decide what is best for our society

Our founders were the greatest geniues in human history. They created the greatest country in human history because they understood liberal government had stopped human development for 5 million years.

If you want to go back to Kings
or Nazis or communists why not move to Cuba where you belong, liberal!

"The greatest geniuses in human history?"

So I guess that 235 years ago they understood what it meant to be the worlds most powerful economic and military superpower. What it meant to be leader of the free world in a global economy. What was required to compete in a global market with instant communications and international competition for resources

The founding fathers never intended to tell future generations what was best for their country. Only a TeaTard would believe that they could

 

[Brutus]

I agree. The republicans and democrats both have a long history of meddling in personal lives.

well this is a good thing as our Founders would have wanted. We don't want to live in a society where people are taught to kill their babies rather than love them, do we?

Do we want to teach our children to have sex with strangers and kill the babies that result? Or, do we want to teach our children to have sex with the person they love and then love the children that result?
Gusee what the liberal wants.

 

[rightwinger]

The United States Constitution is one of the most liberal documents in history.

you mean "classical liberal" or modern conservative,.i.e., about freedom and liberty from government.

And now another liberal knows his ABC's

The term classical liberal was invented by the Conservative propaganda machine to rewrite history and justify how conservatives have been on the wrong side of history

 

[Brutus]

"The greatest geniuses in human history?"

So I guess that 235 years ago they understood what it meant to be the worlds most powerful economic and military superpower. What it meant to be leader of the free world in a global economy. What was required to compete in a global market with instant communications and international competition for resources

yes of course; they understood that freedom from liberal government would be best

The founding fathers never intended to tell future generations what was best for their country. Only a TeaTard would believe that they could

well then why be so afraid to give your most substantive example of where freedom was not best to demonstrate your case??

See why we are positive that liberals will be slow?

 

[rightwinger]

"The greatest geniuses in human history?"

So I guess that 235 years ago they understood what it meant to be the worlds most powerful economic and military superpower. What it meant to be leader of the free world in a global economy. What was required to compete in a global market with instant communications and international competition for resources

yes of course; they understood that freedom from liberal government would be best

The founding fathers never intended to tell future generations what was best for their country. Only a TeaTard would believe that they could

well then why be so afraid to give your most substantive example of where freedom was not best to demonstrate your case??

See why we are positive that liberals will be slow?

Freedom from liberal government?

You are going to have to show me where in the Constitution it says that

 

[Brutus]

The United States Constitution is one of the most liberal documents in history.

you mean "classical liberal" or modern conservative,.i.e., about freedom and liberty from government.

And now another liberal knows his ABC's

The term classical liberal was invented by the Conservative propaganda machine to rewrite history and justify how conservatives have been on the wrong side of history

perfectly stupid of course. JS Mill was the quintessential classical liberal. He famously wrote, " On Liberty" [from central government]

Our Founders and modern conservatives have the identical philosophy.
If you like kings or nazis why not move to Cuba?

 

[Brutus]

You are going to have to show me where in the Constitution it says that

too stupid the entire purpose of the Constitution is to great very limited enumerated powers

 

[rightwinger]

You are going to have to show me where in the Constitution it says that

too stupid the entire purpose of the Constitution is to great very limited enumerated powers

Far from it

Our Constitution provides a broad framework for how government is constructed. It was never intended to be an end in itself and gives each branch broad powers to execute it's job

 

[Brutus]

You are going to have to show me where in the Constitution it says that

too stupid the entire purpose of the Constitution is to great very limited enumerated powers

Far from it

Our Constitution provides a broad framework for how government is constructed. It was never intended to be an end in itself and gives each branch broad powers to execute it's job

too stupid!!! why not look up enumerated powers?" Madison wrote it. Is that good enough for the libtard?

The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." -Jefferson

 

[rightwinger]

too stupid the entire purpose of the Constitution is to great very limited enumerated powers

Far from it

Our Constitution provides a broad framework for how government is constructed. It was never intended to be an end in itself and gives each branch broad powers to execute it's job

too stupid!!! why not look up enumerated powers?" Madison wrote it. Is that good enough for the libtard?

The government of the United States [federal government] is a definite government confined to specified objects [powers]. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. CHARITY IS NO PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE DUTY OF THE GOVERNMENT."
-James madison


"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." -Jefferson

Let me take a page out of your book.......where does it say that in the Constitution?

Madisons opinions are not legally binding. The powers of Congress are enumerated by the courts

 

[M14 Shooter]

No... the power to spend is the power to spend. The power to create legislation/programs that appropriates that spending is not the same, nor included inthe power to spend.

That makes absolutely no sense. You are saying that Congress has the power to spend, but does not have the power to pass any laws or acts which spend money.

No, that's not what I said.
I said the power to spend does not, itself, include the power to appropriate.
The power to pass leguislation that appropriates the funding for the spending is found in clauses 2-17.

So does the creation and implementation of Medicare and Social Security.

No. There is nothing to Medicare or Social Security that does not involve either taxing or spending.

Horsepucky. SocSec and Medicare are full of regulations, conditions, administration, enforcement. The power to spend does not include the powers to create these things.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The United States Constitution is one of the most liberal documents in history.

In terms of classical liberalsim, yes.
Classical Liberalism amd Modern American Liberalism are almost completely unrelated.

Personally I think it stupid to consider 'liberalism' in terms of 'modern' and 'classic' versions, which are polar opposites of each other.

I can substitute "circa 1775" for "classic" if you like.
The point, obviously, is that those people described as "liberals" back then had a remarkably different ideoligy than the liberals of today.

More likely, the status quo fears the power liberalism gives to the middle and working classes so they use their media power to wrap the concept in blankets of socialism and communism because...

... it is accurate. Liberalsim, circa 1775, is unrealted to the Modern Liberal support for and expansion of the redistributuion of wealth thru the welfare state. Modern liberals prey on those stupid enough to believe that if they 'vote for me' the government will give them everything they want at the expense of the wealthy.

The biggest problem with liberalism is that there are so few American voters willing to expend the energy required to think for themselves, which is a prerequisite for joining the club.

Those that think for themselves reject modern liberalism as they understand that it is nothing more than state-enforced involuntary servitude.

 

[rightwinger]

No... the power to spend is the power to spend. The power to create legislation/programs that appropriates that spending is not the same, nor included inthe power to spend.

That makes absolutely no sense. You are saying that Congress has the power to spend, but does not have the power to pass any laws or acts which spend money.

No, that's not what I said.
I said the power to spend does not include the power to appropriate.
The power to pass leguislation tha appropriates the funding for the spending is found in clauses 2-17.

So does the creation and implementation of Medicare and Social Security.

No. There is nothing to Medicare or Social Security that does not involve either taxing or spending.

Horsepucky. SocSec and Medicare are full of regulations, conditions, administration, enforcement. The power to spend does not include the powers to create these things.

Power to spend does not include Social Security and Medicare? I think you are about 75 years too late with that argument. Now you may get libertarians to agree with you, but clearly the courts do not

 

[daws101]

you mean "classical liberal" or modern conservative,.i.e., about freedom and liberty from government.

And now another liberal knows his ABC's

The term classical liberal was invented by the Conservative propaganda machine to rewrite history and justify how conservatives have been on the wrong side of history

perfectly stupid of course. JS Mill was the quintessential classical liberal. He famously wrote, " On Liberty" [from central government]

Our Founders and modern conservatives have the identical philosophy.
If you like kings or nazis why not move to Cuba?

WTF... kings, royalty are a monarchy nothing in common with the Nazis or communists...guess that's what happens when you're flinging nonsensical shit around.