The Confederate Flag, You can't get more unclean

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    I live in the South. Born and raised here in fact. Another hint, I reside in the Great and Glorious State Of Mississippi. I've heard every argument for and against the display of the "Confederate Flag" that anyone could possibly hear. We still have candidates, or fools (whichever you might call them) that run for public office, including our Governorship, that run on the single issue of the public display of the "Confederate Flag."

    I've never met a single proponent of the public display of the "Confederate Flag" that didn't also reveal themself (in private conversation, of course) to be blatantly racist. And when I say "racist" I am not just talking about black or colored folk. These people have the Irish in mind as well. Unless, of course, they themselves tend to claim some Irish ancestry. It's a slavery issue, folks. An economic advantage over the enslaved or the de facto enslaved. That's it and that's all there is to it. There is an ignorance issue as well. But I won't bore you with that in this attempt at dialogue with seemingly educated Americans that should know better.

    Check this conversation out:

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22478

    The "Confederate Flag" and all it represented was defeated many years ago by free-thinking and intelligent American citizens, including many of my kind, Southerners. The display of it offends those of us that understand it. The defeat alone precludes it's present day display, unless, of couse, for historical purposes only.

    When I see a "Confederate Flag" I realize that the person displaying it is not cognizant of history, etiguette, or respectful of American values.

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    Anybody can choose their flag. If somebody wants a Swastika flag
    so be it, Confederate Flag etc...

    Those who fly em are fools in my view. And both types of flags can be found
    here in Idaho. I still drink beer with em. Their choice. But the explanation
    I have head about it were between funny and ridicilous.

    America's democracy is good enough to allow people flying flags that
    some dislike.
     
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    That's the American Way. I can dig your sentiments and like you, I drink with them. But I do take notes and I do have opinions and I do agree to disagree and remain on friendly terms from time to time.

    Thanks for an honest opinion, nosarcasm.

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    The confederate flag was highjacked long ago my racists and hate mongers. It was a symbol of rebelion and states rights in its original intent. It represented a confederation of states that were standing up against a federal government. Its a piece of American history. A very important piece.
    Unfortunately it became a symbol of racism instead of its original design of a flag of independence.

    The confederate flag should not be banned it should be displayed at proper functions just like anything else of historical value. Not flaunted as a symbol of hate. Its a ploy used for centuries, take something everyone recognizes and and use it as a symbol of your cause.

    If you haven't noticed the hate mongers of the KKK use another symbol as well. A Cross.
     
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    Yo, gaffer, I'll bite. So what was the underlying insistence for "independence"? Wasn't it an insistence on the propagation of SLAVERY? Otherwise, there were no detriments to national unity, or were there? Please educate me?

    Thanks for the reference to the "Cross". I still posess a KKKK (Knights of the KuKlux Klan) flag that is mostly covered side to side and top to bottom with a "Cross". I guess the implication being that it's not just a a racial organization but a Christian one as well? What do you think?

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    Psychoblues, your statement may show one of the reasons that Mississippi has one of the lowest educational levels in the United States. Read gaffer's response and then study up on exactly what the Confederate Flag stood for. Ignorance issue? Yes, it is very ignorant of you to post a statement like you did before you know what you are posting about. To your credit though, you are right about the racist part, and it is in every corner of the United States. Having black friends and family members, I see hate from both sides every day. White flight from the inner cities is mostly to get away from blacks. The Confederate Flag was a secession symbol until the middle of the 20th century until some hate mongers figured out how to stir up trouble with it. Yes, I have a Confederate Flag and I'm proud of it and I am not ashamed to have it and/or display it. It will never be flown or stored in my closet above my United States Flag though. I have a post in your link that you may want to read also.
     
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    The southern states seceded from the union on the basis of states rights. The northern industrial states were trying to impose their will on the rural south. The abolisment of slaver was one of many factors of that time. A very important factor as it would have bankrupt the south. It wasn't high moral values that led to the civil war as much as economic reasons. The southern states wanted the right to chose how they would run things and whether they would have slavery and their way of life continue without interferrence from the north.
    What the federal governmet learned from the civil war was that you control the states by controling the purse strings.

    The kkk uses christianty to justify its hate mongering. There's nothing christian about them. They want to appear to be a christian organization. And such tactics are used to impress the gulable and ignorant fundimentalists amoung them. They use the confederate flag in the same way. Its something to intimidate with and rally behind.
     
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    I totally agree. The Confederate flag, in my opinion, has just as much historical significance as the "Don't Tread on Me" flags of the early days of the development of our Republic. Just because liberals claim it is a symbol of racism, that does not mean it is.

    When I was in the Army and we were in Saudi Arabia in 1990, our deuce and a half driver had a Confederate flag hanging in the window of his truck. Our 1SG, who was black, never had a problem with it. He told some other black soldiers one day what it really meant... it was a symbol of rebellion and he knew that the driver wasn't racist, just a rebel. The left has and is trying like hell to change the meaning and why they are doing that I am really not sure.
     
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    Like the kkk they see it as a means to justify their own hate mongering. Its used today for everything except what it actually stood for.
     
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    Slavery was a terrible thing: bad for blacks, bad for whites. But I am pro-white; I believe whites have the right to direct their own destiny on this Earth without interference from Jewish warmongers, black criminals and Mexican invaders. Call that "racist" if you want --- I just call it pride, decency and common sense. What business is it of yours? If I want to live with white people, that's my choice and my business. The diversity Nazis are the people who want to force racial segregation on everyone and give us this ridiculous Big Brother crap about how all the races are equal and getting along fine. But they're not. Races are different, and not just their skin colors --- their DNA is different, as science is now demonstrating. So arguing that races are equal is starting to look like arguments that the planet is flat.
     

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