The ACA-Much maligned, nonetheless Effective

[nat4900]

Insurance coverage has increased across all types of insurance since themajor provisions of the federal Affordable Care Act took effect, with a total of 16.9 million people becoming newly enrolled through February 2015, according to a new RAND Corporation study.

Researchers estimate that from September 2013 to February 2015, 22.8 million Americans became newly insured and 5.9 million lost coverage, for a net of 16.9 million newly insured Americans.

Among those newly gaining coverage, 9.6 million people enrolled in employer-sponsored health plans, followed by Medicaid (6.5 million), the individual marketplaces (4.1 million), non-marketplace individual plans (1.2 million) and other insurance sources (1.5 million).

The study also estimates that 125.2 million Americans — about 80 percent of the nonelderly population that had insurance in September 2013 — experienced no change in the source of insurance during the period, according to findings published online by the journal Health Affairs.

Health Coverage Grows Under Affordable Care Act RAND

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Yawn...it's a disaster

 

[Redfish]

yeah what a fricken huge success. premiums up, deductibles up, coverages down, employers dropping insurance, medicaid numbers up (medicaid is free, er, paid by the taxpayers), doctors leaving medicine, hospitals closing.

It is the worst piece of legislation in the history of our nation, passed by dems only in the dark of night before anyone had a chance to read it.--------------you dems own this piece of shit, you and obama.

 

[deltex1]

Nothing much going on here....going to gym...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

In spite of the fact that millions of Americans are benefiting from ACA, the damn prepubs are apparently still talking about wasting even more money on their phony votes to repeal.

Has any other law been passed as many times as this one has?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Insurance coverage has increased across all types of insurance since themajor provisions of the federal Affordable Care Act took effect, with a total of 16.9 million people becoming newly enrolled through February 2015, according to a new RAND Corporation study.

Researchers estimate that from September 2013 to February 2015, 22.8 million Americans became newly insured and 5.9 million lost coverage, for a net of 16.9 million newly insured Americans.

Among those newly gaining coverage, 9.6 million people enrolled in employer-sponsored health plans, followed by Medicaid (6.5 million), the individual marketplaces (4.1 million), non-marketplace individual plans (1.2 million) and other insurance sources (1.5 million).

The study also estimates that 125.2 million Americans — about 80 percent of the nonelderly population that had insurance in September 2013 — experienced no change in the source of insurance during the period, according to findings published online by the journal Health Affairs.

Health Coverage Grows Under Affordable Care Act RAND

You forgot to mention the increases in cost to the insured. You failed to mention increases in premiums, deductibles, less coverage, increases in co-pays, doctors dropping out of the system, doctors moving outside the U.S. to practice, increases in taxes, the availability of doctors in a given area, and other negatives. Please, be fair. Give both sides of the situation.

 

[Edgetho]

Yawn...it's a disaster

No it's not, Sassy.

It is something that needed to be done fifty years ago.

Richard Nixon tried to do it but it got shot down by dims. Teddy Roosevelt had it as major plank in his platform.

Some things need to be passed regardless of which party gets the credit for them.

Too bad scum of the earth dimcraps don't understand that because Republicans were on board with this decades ago. But they wanted socialism, not a reasonable health plan.

dims promised a plan similar to what the Swiss have and that's why Patriots, Republicans and others fought it. It isn't. It isn't like the Swiss Plan.

Republicans fought it because dimocraps are lying scum. They also fought it because dims literally locked them out of negotiating rooms.

The best and the smartest thing Republicans can do now is run on 'fixing' it. Any Republican that runs on repealing it will get absolutely HAMMERED in the General Election.

National Health does NOT need to be Socialized Medicine. In fact, every place that socialized medicine is practiced, it's a disaster.

The best working model for mandatory health insurance is Switzerland and that's the model we need to follow. In fact, The Netherlands are moving to that, France was trying to move to that, Britain is hopelessly stuck in their 1940's socialist system but were trying to move to a Swiss style system.

Canada is still stuck in the past as are most other Countries. We don't need to be.

And it's going to be up to Republicans to make this thing work or we WILL have socialized medicine. And once you have socialized medicine, you have socialism

 

[The Rabbi]

There is no one benefitting from ACA.
The increase in coverage is not due to ACA but due to larger numbers of people working, as people usually get insurance through their jobs.
Everything else is a disaser. People are having to pay back subsidies they werent elegibel for. Insurers are seeing higher claims. ERs are seeing more people coming in. Premiums are substantially higher. Coverages are substanially worse. Etc.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Yawn...it's a disaster

No it's not, Sassy.

It is something that needed to be done fifty years ago.

Richard Nixon tried to do it but it got shot down by dims. Teddy Roosevelt had it as major plank in his platform.

Some things need to be passed regardless of which party gets the credit for them.

Too bad scum of the earth dimcraps don't understand that because Republicans were on board with this decades ago. But they wanted socialism, not a reasonable health plan.

dims promised a plan similar to what the Swiss have and that's why Patriots, Republicans and others fought it. It isn't. It isn't like the Swiss Plan.

Republicans fought it because dimocraps are lying scum. They also fought it because dims literally locked them out of negotiating rooms.

The best and the smartest thing Republicans can do now is run on 'fixing' it. Any Republican that runs on repealing it will get absolutely HAMMERED in the General Election.

National Health does NOT need to be Socialized Medicine. In fact, every place that socialized medicine is practiced, it's a disaster.

The best working model for mandatory health insurance is Switzerland and that's the model we need to follow. In fact, The Netherlands are moving to that, France was trying to move to that, Britain is hopelessly stuck in their 1940's socialist system but were trying to move to a Swiss style system.

Canada is still stuck in the past as are most other Countries. We don't need to be.

And it's going to be up to Republicans to make this thing work or we WILL have socialized medicine. And once you have socialized medicine, you have socialism

Sorry but the ACA as it is now is a complete disaster, there is no getting around it

 

[Edgetho]

There is no one benefitting from ACA.
The increase in coverage is not due to ACA but due to larger numbers of people working, as people usually get insurance through their jobs.
Everything else is a disaser. People are having to pay back subsidies they werent elegibel for. Insurers are seeing higher claims. ERs are seeing more people coming in. Premiums are substantially higher. Coverages are substanially worse. Etc.

A LOT of self-employed and early-retired people are benefiting from it which is why, IMO, Romney lost Florida in 2012.

Florida has an inordinate number of self-employed people and younger Retired People who don't qualify for Medicare. The VAST majority of whom couldn't get Health Insurance worth a SHIT in the Private Market.

If they do find a Policy, it changes at just about every renewal..... Mostly in Premiums going through the roof. Guaranteed Renewable don't mean shit. Yeah, it's guaranteed to renew, but they don't guarantee at what price so they price you out

Then, if you become injured or seriously ill, you're fucked. The Insurance can't single you out, but you have to stay with that Plan and that Company and a LOT of times, Insurance Companies will walk away from a Plan because it's not profitable but start another plan that you can't qualify for because you have pre-existing conditions.....

IOW, you're on CH-FL09 (brilliant acronyms like Comprehensive Health, Florida, 2009) and the Company has found that Plan to be non-profitable.

You can't change the way a Policy works mid-stream. Can't do it. The Insurance Company just can't do it.

So they walk away from that Policy and start a new Plan called, CH-FL15.

As the prices in in CH-FL09 go up, the people who CAN leave it -- Do. The ones that can't because of pre-existing conditions are stuck. Then, Adverse Selection sets and it's a downward spiral from then on. A really, REALLY bad one

Group Plans are whole 'nother ball game and have somewhere around zero to very little to do with the ACA.

The ACA was necessary. The smart thing for Republicans is to declare they're going to fix it. Talk about repealing it and we get absolutely fucking HAMMERED in '16

werd

 

[nat4900]

For all you right wingers.......

Why not "summarize" your reactions, thusly:

"I don't care if the ACA is successful, effective and much needed.....I HATE Obama and I can't give him ANY credit..."

OR, echo Ben Carson's quip, that the ACA is worst than slavery....

BTW, it was the Rand Corp. that did the study...any omissions in such a report should be taken up with them....I just wanted the post to be informative for those who may not have seen it.

 

[Edgetho]

For all you right wingers.......

Why not "summarize" your reactions, thusly:

"I don't care if the ACA is successful, effective and much needed.....I HATE Obama and I can't give him ANY credit..."

OR, echo Ben Carson's quip, that the ACA is worst than slavery....

BTW, it was the Rand Corp. that did the study...any omissions in such a report should be taken up with them....I just wanted the post to be informative for those who may not have seen it.

The ACA is a fucking joke.

But it's a step in the right direction.

Republicans can fix it if they're of a mind to.

Insurance is the most difficult topic on earth to try to understand.

Believe it

 

[nat4900]

Actually I think that the ACA is just a first (and much-needed) step toward curbing the rip-offs by private insurers.....Nexy step should be a single payer and/or the extension of Medicare for all American under the age of 20 and 55 years and up......with such covergae extended every decade to 25 and under and 50 on up, etc.

 

[Moonglow]

Nothing much going on here....going to gym...

Time for a little eye candy...

 

[nat4900]

For all you right wingers.......

Why not "summarize" your reactions, thusly:

"I don't care if the ACA is successful, effective and much needed.....I HATE Obama and I can't give him ANY credit..."

OR, echo Ben Carson's quip, that the ACA is worst than slavery....

BTW, it was the Rand Corp. that did the study...any omissions in such a report should be taken up with them....I just wanted the post to be informative for those who may not have seen it.

The ACA is a fucking joke.

But it's a step in the right direction.

Republicans can fix it if they're of a mind to.

Insurance is the most difficult topic on earth to try to understand.

Believe it

Great, you call it a "fucking joke" AND "a step in the right direction".....conflicted between sanity and biases???

 

[nat4900]

Ultimately, it was a major "gamble" for republicans to call the ACA, "Obama-care".......As a republican ploy to deride Obama and placing his name on the ACA, the gamble may have backfired as the Act proves more effective than first thought.

 

[jwoodie]

Actually I think that the ACA is just a first (and much-needed) step toward curbing the rip-offs by private insurers.....Nexy step should be a single payer and/or the extension of Medicare for all American under the age of 20 and 55 years and up......with such covergae extended every decade to 25 and under and 50 on up, etc.

Excellent example of fallacious reasoning:

1. The measure of success should be health care, not health insurance.

2. The underlying principle of the ACA is to make (young) people who don't want to pay for health insurance subsidize other people who don't want to (or can't) pay for health care.

3. Your admission that the ACA is merely a step towards another system disproves your assertion that it is a success on its own merits.

4. Your reference to "rip-offs by private insurers" is an invalid "red herring" argument which is irrelevant to your premise that the ACA is a success.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Actually I think that the ACA is just a first (and much-needed) step toward curbing the rip-offs by private insurers.....Nexy step should be a single payer and/or the extension of Medicare for all American under the age of 20 and 55 years and up......with such covergae extended every decade to 25 and under and 50 on up, etc.

Excellent example of fallacious reasoning:

1. The measure of success should be health care, not health insurance.

2. The underlying principle of the ACA is to make (young) people who don't want to pay for health insurance subsidize other people who don't want to pay for health care.

3. Your admission that the ACA is merely a step towards another system disproves your assertion that it is a success on its own merits.

4. Your reference to "rip-offs by private insurers" is an invalid "red herring" argument which is irrelevant to your premise that the ACA is a "success."

Deeeeeestroyed Well done

 

[Edgetho]

Actually I think that the ACA is just a first (and much-needed) step toward curbing the rip-offs by private insurers.....Nexy step should be a single payer and/or the extension of Medicare for all American under the age of 20 and 55 years and up......with such covergae extended every decade to 25 and under and 50 on up, etc.

Insurers aren't ripping anybody off. That's just pablum for the idiot masses.

For instance, the Japanese own banks, they make cars, they own Real Estate, they make Electronics, they own movie making companies..... The Japanese are elbow deep in virtually every industry Americans have -- Except one.

They don't shy away from Insurance Companies -- They RUN.

Wanna get poor, quick? Buy Insurance Stock. With the lone exception of United Health, all the others have been taking a shit for the last 70 years.

Insurance stocks are KNOWN for being 'income' stocks that pay around 2% dividends and have somewhere around 2% growth...... In a GOOD year.

One of the reasons why is -- Insurance Companies are what's called a "Public Trust". Similar to the Public Trust Doctrine of Justinian in the 6th Century.

IOW, certain industries like Power Generating Companies, Water Companies (city), Banks and Insurance Compnaies are necessary for the continued operation and survival of civilization itself.

Without them, our society can not exist. Like here, Florida Power and Light can't just stop generating electricity if it feels like it's being under paid. Our Privately owned Water Company can't just shut down because they're pissed about something and Banks can't decide to put 100% of their assets in Hedge Funds on a whim.

Insurance Companies are a Public Trust. They are one of the most Highly Regulated Industries in this Country.

Each State has an Insurance Commissioner whose only job is to watch out for Insurance Companies and the people they insure. In Florida, he is elected and is the 2nd most powerful man in the State.

All this may come as a surprise to you and most other people but do yourselves a favor.... Believe it. It's true.

And if you are being told something by a dimocrap scumbag or one of the dimocrap scum party's sycophants or one of their charter members like the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM.....

Doubt it. First and foremost -- Doubt it. If you want to, verify it. But don't run with it. You're only to make yourself look foolish if you do

It isn't so much that they're lying motherfuckers (they are) it's that they're so stupid, they usually get things wrong even when they're reporting in good faith.

Which isn't that often, BTW

 

[nat4900]

[QUOTE="jwoodie, post: 11349815, member: 39025
Excellent example of fallacious reasoning:

1. The measure of success should be health care, not health insurance.

2. The underlying principle of the ACA is to make (young) people who don't want to pay for health insurance subsidize other people who don't want to (or can't) pay for health care.

3. Your admission that the ACA is merely a step towards another system disproves your assertion that it is a success on its own merits.

4. Your reference to "rip-offs by private insurers" is an invalid "red herring" argument which is irrelevant to your premise that the ACA is a success.[/QUOTE]

Your first response could have been found on a Chinese fortune cookie.

Second response is a bit off the mark since the UNDERLYING reason for the ACA was to provide insurance to many of the ones who could NOT receive covergae because of pre-existing conditions.

Third response is also bogus since to call a first step a failure is to negate ALL first steps in a very complex system.

Fourth, we could argue if private insurers have been ripiing off people for decades...but I'll let others judge the "kindness" of private health care insurers.