The 501c3 designation is what has destroyed the church

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    so you dont think people in church should give suggestions as to who they think would be a good choice in the next election???
     
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    That’s right.

    I don’t want collusion between politics and religion.

    To me endorsing candidates leads to collusion. Whereas endorsing ideas doesn’t.
     
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    I'm not talking about gift taxes and never did.
    I see nothing charitable about advancing religion. I see it as annoying interference at best. I would gladly support secular institutions doing genuinely charitable works including serving as free public meeting places. I detest being forced to vote in a church every year. That interferes with my free exercise clause.
     
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    By the time that “ruling” was made all state established religions had already ended of their own accord. So the only thing it actually accomplished was a bad precedent of an end run around the constitution.

    In fact, unless you love the right to bear arms, you should probably hate that precedent.

    Because the 14th amendment did the exact same thing to the 2nd that it did to the 1st. It placed the restriction on the federal government on the states too.
     
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    so you dont want people endorsing candidates,
    and how does religion and politics collude with each other???

    you seem to be missing the point that its people doing these things not religion,,,and youre calling for people control
     
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    Donations to churches are gifts.
     
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    No. I don’t want representatives of the church endorsing candidates from the pulpit.

    I’m ok with them endorsing ideals and values because they are in the business of teaching ideals and values.

    The founding fathers of freedom and liberty didn’t promote themselves in their churches. They promoted ideals like abolition.
     
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    I agree. But they’re only beholden to the government if they choose to take the tax free designation. So a church only gets to operate tax free if they accept government control. It’s a dangerous game to play.
     
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    How does religion and politics collude?

    Through individuals.
     
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    so you want to control people and what they say to others,,,

    GOT IT,,,

    SORRY BUT THAT VIOLATES THE 1ST AMENDMENT,,,
     

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