That's It!! Im Quitting My Job And Applying For Welfare.......

Stephanie

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Welfare Pays Better Than Work, Study Finds
$36,000 a Year in Hawaii


Welfare benefits are far more generous than commonly thought and

substantially exceed the amount a recipient could earn in an entry-level

job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work,

increasing long-term dependence. Those are the principal findings in "The

Work vs. Welfare Trade-Off" (Policy Analysis no. 240) by Michael Tanner,

director of health and welfare studies; Stephen Moore, director of fiscal

policy studies; and David Hartman, CEO of Hartland Bank in Austin, Texas.

The paper was released at the height of the welfare debate in Congress.



The study examines the combined value of benefits--including Aid to

Families with Dependent Children, food stamps, Medicaid, and others--for

a typical welfare recipient in each of the 50 states. The value of those

tax-free benefits is then compared with the amount of take-home income a

worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income.

The following are among the study's findings.



* To match the value of welfare benefits, a mother with two children would

have to earn as much as $36,400 in Hawaii or as little as $11,500 in

Mississippi.


* In New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia,

Hawaii, Alaska, and Rhode Island, welfare pays more than a $12.00-an-hour

job--or more than two and a half times the minimum wage.


* In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00-an-hour job. In 17 states

the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00-an-hour job.


* Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare

provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York

City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit.


* In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a

teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a

secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor earns. Indeed, in

the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a

computer programmer.



The authors conclude that if Congress or state governments are serious

about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, the most promising

reform is to cut benefit levels substantially.



The study has been the subject of major news coverage. In a September 28

Wall Street Journal guest column, Tanner and Moore wrote, "The welfare

reform proposals just passed by the Senate, and the earlier House version,

are designed to reduce 'hard-core' welfare dependency and reward work. But

we believe the most critical public policy implication of our findings is

that ultimately these goals can be accomplished only by cutting benefit

levels substantially. Unless and until this is done, Congress will have

failed to end welfare as we know it."



Hourly Wage Equivalent of Welfare


Hawaii $17.50

Alaska 15.48

Massachusetts 14.66

Connecticut 14.23

Washington, D.C. 13.99

New York 13.13

New Jersey 12.74

Rhode Island 12.55

California 11.59

Virginia 11.11

Maryland 10.96

New Hampshire 10.96

Maine 10.38

Delaware 10.34

Colorado 10.05

Vermont 10.05

Minnesota 10.00

Washington 9.95

Nevada 9.71

Utah 9.57

Michigan 9.47

Pennsylvania 9.47

Illinois 9.33

Wisconsin 9.33

Oregon 9.23

Wyoming 9.18

Indiana 9.13

Iowa 9.13

New Mexico 8.94

Florida 8.75

Idaho 8.65

Oklahoma 8.51

Kansas 8.46

North Dakota 8.46

Georgia 8.37

Ohio 8.37

South Dakata 8.32

Louisana 8.17

Kentucky 8.08

North Carolina 8.08

Montana 7.84

South Carolina 7.79

Nebraska 7.64

Texas 7.31

West Virginia 7.31

Missouri 7.16

Arizona 6.78

Tennessee 6.59

Arkansas 6.35

Alabama 6.25

Mississippi 5.53

cato.org
 
Stephanie said:
Welfare Pays Better Than Work, Study Finds
$36,000 a Year in Hawaii


Welfare benefits are far more generous than commonly thought and

substantially exceed the amount a recipient could earn in an entry-level

job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work,

increasing long-term dependence. Those are the principal findings in "The

Work vs. Welfare Trade-Off" (Policy Analysis no. 240) by Michael Tanner,

director of health and welfare studies; Stephen Moore, director of fiscal

policy studies; and David Hartman, CEO of Hartland Bank in Austin, Texas.

The paper was released at the height of the welfare debate in Congress.



The study examines the combined value of benefits--including Aid to

Families with Dependent Children, food stamps, Medicaid, and others--for

a typical welfare recipient in each of the 50 states. The value of those

tax-free benefits is then compared with the amount of take-home income a

worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income.

The following are among the study's findings.



* To match the value of welfare benefits, a mother with two children would

have to earn as much as $36,400 in Hawaii or as little as $11,500 in

Mississippi.


* In New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia,

Hawaii, Alaska, and Rhode Island, welfare pays more than a $12.00-an-hour

job--or more than two and a half times the minimum wage.


* In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00-an-hour job. In 17 states

the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00-an-hour job.


* Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare

provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York

City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit.


* In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a

teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a

secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor earns. Indeed, in

the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a

computer programmer.



The authors conclude that if Congress or state governments are serious

about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, the most promising

reform is to cut benefit levels substantially.



The study has been the subject of major news coverage. In a September 28

Wall Street Journal guest column, Tanner and Moore wrote, "The welfare

reform proposals just passed by the Senate, and the earlier House version,

are designed to reduce 'hard-core' welfare dependency and reward work. But

we believe the most critical public policy implication of our findings is

that ultimately these goals can be accomplished only by cutting benefit

levels substantially. Unless and until this is done, Congress will have

failed to end welfare as we know it."



Hourly Wage Equivalent of Welfare


Hawaii $17.50

Alaska 15.48

Massachusetts 14.66

Connecticut 14.23

Washington, D.C. 13.99

New York 13.13

New Jersey 12.74

Rhode Island 12.55

California 11.59

Virginia 11.11

Maryland 10.96

New Hampshire 10.96

Maine 10.38

Delaware 10.34

Colorado 10.05

Vermont 10.05

Minnesota 10.00

Washington 9.95

Nevada 9.71

Utah 9.57

Michigan 9.47

Pennsylvania 9.47

Illinois 9.33

Wisconsin 9.33

Oregon 9.23

Wyoming 9.18

Indiana 9.13

Iowa 9.13

New Mexico 8.94

Florida 8.75

Idaho 8.65

Oklahoma 8.51

Kansas 8.46

North Dakota 8.46

Georgia 8.37

Ohio 8.37

South Dakata 8.32

Louisana 8.17

Kentucky 8.08

North Carolina 8.08

Montana 7.84

South Carolina 7.79

Nebraska 7.64

Texas 7.31

West Virginia 7.31

Missouri 7.16

Arizona 6.78

Tennessee 6.59

Arkansas 6.35

Alabama 6.25

Mississippi 5.53

cato.org

Amazing isn't it------now I guess you understand the true nature of the subsidy. We just pay people to do nothing and they can live that way quite comfortably. ( and will tell you they still deserve more )
 
why aren't our elected officials after this one instead of picking on the SSA receipients...they make the same no matter which state they live in...and must pay a premium for medacare part B...and actually contributed to their own retirement...and still receive much less than most amounts posted in this thread! :eek:
 
Said1 said:
Any idea how much the average welfare check per month, minus non-cash benefits. Just out of curiosity.

All I know is that they can afford to live, eat, drive, buy clothes, buy electronics, have medical and dental needs attended to etc etc. It depends on the amount of social security they receive or if they are on a "disability". There are numerous ways to "beat" the system to qualify for way more welfare programs than they are legally eligible for.
Short answer is they get checks and benefits from several different sources and there are those who will help them take advantage of every one.
Monitoring is virtually non-existant.
 
dilloduck said:
All I know is that they can afford to live, eat, drive, buy clothes, buy electronics, have medical and dental needs attended to etc etc. It depends on the amount of social security they receive or if they are on a "disability". There are numerous ways to "beat" the system to qualify for way more welfare programs than they are legally eligible for.
Short answer is they get checks and benefits from several different sources and there are those who will help them take advantage of every one.
Monitoring is virtually non-existant.

Ok.
 
archangel said:
why aren't our elected officials after this one instead of picking on the SSA receipients...they make the same no matter which state they live in...and must pay a premium for medacare part B...and actually contributed to their own retirement...and still receive much less than most amounts posted in this thread! :eek:

The truth would come out---you simply cannot make people work and in America you HAVE to take care of everybody. Social Security recipients would be far better off living off welfare in many cases but I guess they have a sense of responsibility or a conscience .
 
I survived socialism you have seen nothing yet.

I think this was introduced with the welfare reform.
-No one could collect welfare for more than five years in a lifetime-


Has anyone goverment numbers what the average welfare check is ?
 
nosarcasm said:
I survived socialism you have seen nothing yet.

I think this was introduced with the welfare reform.
-No one could collect welfare for more than five years in a lifetime-


Has anyone goverment numbers what the average welfare check is ?

No idea but if it wasn't for welfare America would look like a third world country with people begging, starving and dying in the streets. America doesn't want to see that and was embarrassed when Katrina flushed them all out of New Orleans for the whole world to see. We have created a monster.
 
http://www.billingsgazette.com/inde...s/2004/12/10/build/state/35-welfare-boost.inc

Martz boosts welfare benefits $30 a month
By ALLISON FARRELL
Gazette State Bureau

HELENA - With less than a month left in her administration, Gov. Judy Martz on Thursday restored $30 of the average $132 cut her administration made to monthly welfare benefits in August 2003.

The average welfare family of three saw its monthly check drop by 26 percent, or to $375 a month from $507 a month, when the welfare cuts took effect last year. Beginning Jan. 1, Martz's plan will increase the average family's check by 8 percent, or to $405 a month.


Thats some numbers that I found. I am not sure how federal
and state agencies take care of welfare recipients in the US.

Anyone care to explain the process ?
 
Stephanie said:
Welfare Pays Better Than Work, Study Finds
$36,000 a Year in Hawaii


Welfare benefits are far more generous than commonly thought and

substantially exceed the amount a recipient could earn in an entry-level

job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work,

increasing long-term dependence. Those are the principal findings in "The

Work vs. Welfare Trade-Off" (Policy Analysis no. 240) by Michael Tanner,

director of health and welfare studies; Stephen Moore, director of fiscal

policy studies; and David Hartman, CEO of Hartland Bank in Austin, Texas.

The paper was released at the height of the welfare debate in Congress.



The study examines the combined value of benefits--including Aid to

Families with Dependent Children, food stamps, Medicaid, and others--for

a typical welfare recipient in each of the 50 states. The value of those

tax-free benefits is then compared with the amount of take-home income a

worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income.

The following are among the study's findings.



* To match the value of welfare benefits, a mother with two children would

have to earn as much as $36,400 in Hawaii or as little as $11,500 in

Mississippi.


* In New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia,

Hawaii, Alaska, and Rhode Island, welfare pays more than a $12.00-an-hour

job--or more than two and a half times the minimum wage.


* In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00-an-hour job. In 17 states

the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00-an-hour job.


* Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare

provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York

City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit.


* In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a

teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a

secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor earns. Indeed, in

the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a

computer programmer.



The authors conclude that if Congress or state governments are serious

about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, the most promising

reform is to cut benefit levels substantially.



The study has been the subject of major news coverage. In a September 28

Wall Street Journal guest column, Tanner and Moore wrote, "The welfare

reform proposals just passed by the Senate, and the earlier House version,

are designed to reduce 'hard-core' welfare dependency and reward work. But

we believe the most critical public policy implication of our findings is

that ultimately these goals can be accomplished only by cutting benefit

levels substantially. Unless and until this is done, Congress will have

failed to end welfare as we know it."



Hourly Wage Equivalent of Welfare


Hawaii $17.50

Alaska 15.48

Massachusetts 14.66

Connecticut 14.23

Washington, D.C. 13.99

New York 13.13

New Jersey 12.74

Rhode Island 12.55

California 11.59

Virginia 11.11

Maryland 10.96

New Hampshire 10.96

Maine 10.38

Delaware 10.34

Colorado 10.05

Vermont 10.05

Minnesota 10.00

Washington 9.95

Nevada 9.71

Utah 9.57

Michigan 9.47

Pennsylvania 9.47

Illinois 9.33

Wisconsin 9.33

Oregon 9.23

Wyoming 9.18

Indiana 9.13

Iowa 9.13

New Mexico 8.94

Florida 8.75

Idaho 8.65

Oklahoma 8.51

Kansas 8.46

North Dakota 8.46

Georgia 8.37

Ohio 8.37

South Dakata 8.32

Louisana 8.17

Kentucky 8.08

North Carolina 8.08

Montana 7.84

South Carolina 7.79

Nebraska 7.64

Texas 7.31

West Virginia 7.31

Missouri 7.16

Arizona 6.78

Tennessee 6.59

Arkansas 6.35

Alabama 6.25

Mississippi 5.53

cato.org


SOrry but I would rather keep working. I like to work and I hate to stand in lines or depend on others. Kind of gives me a sense of self worth and satisfaction and dignity. Give these folks a shot at that and the vast majority will come around. The rest or just lazy and should starve a bit to get their attention. Goverment assisstance should be only for those that truly need it. I know of an 80 year old man that had never need public assisstance in his life. He broke down in tears as he and his family were trying to salvage their house from Rita when he told me that he was going to have to get food stamps.
 

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