saveliberty
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Austerity is the only option, if Obama insists on avoiding spending cuts and pushing debt ceiling increases.
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I think it will be very easy for the repubs to say we gave them their tax hikes on the rich but they wouldn't cut spending. That is a winner in the red states, and maybe also in some purple states if the economy isn't any better.
Yes, well I hope you're right. I really do. But I lost a bet on a good steak dinner that Obama could not be re-elected in the crappy economy we have endured for four years. But I was wrong. And I am now convinced the media can convince the gullible and willing of anything in the world it wants to convince them of.
Do you really think that all those people who voted for Obama want a crappy economy? 8+% unemployment into perpetuity? Want the nation to be financially insolvent? Want an unimiginable number of mortgages to be underwater? Want trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see? Want more than 50% of the population on some kind of government dole?
I don't believe that most of them want that.
But the media was able to convince them that it was the Republicans fault that things are as bad as they are and that the Republicans would continue the misery plus take away what government benefits those same people are receiving.
So I'm not holding my breath that reality and honest assessment of the facts will prevail in the next two years either.
What has happened is that people keep enabling the two partys. Essentially they are different sides of the same coin. Even when the Republicans win they fail to give us less government. They are exactly like the democrats, growing government and protecting their party. Most people have become disillusioned, because they never seem able to enact reforms and STOP the Behemoth from devouring our liberty's.
The issue most of us see now is that its the political system thats needing changed, not just the two partying politickers
How stupid are we???
Look at our brilliant representatives and that great clunker buy back program.
The person who calculated this bit of information is now, and has been a professor at the University of West Virginia in Morgantown for the last 40 some years. He says that:
• A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.
• A new vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons of gas a year. Or if a super fuel efficient model at 35 mpg uses 343 gallons of gas a year.
• So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction reduced gasoline consumption between 320 and 457 gallons per year. Let's average that at 390 gallons.
• The government claims 700,000 clunkers have been replaced so that is 273 million gallons saved per year.
• That equates to a bit over 6 million barrels of oil.
• 6 million barrels is about 6 hours worth of US consumption.
• More importantly, 6 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $420 million dollars.
• So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.
They spent $7.00 for every $1.00 they saved unless those new car buyers keep those vehicles for well over 7 years to compensate for the interest we will pay on that $3 billion which of course was borrowed to begin with. And that is also assuming that the folks will drive no more miles in the new cars than they did in their clunkers.
And we still saw gasoline prices climb into the rafters and we didn't seem to reduce our dependency on foreign oil one bit.
You really think the Democrats will get the blame? So far they haven't gotten the blame for anything in the last six years though they have held most of the cards for that period. The media is not going to tell it like it is.
Some important things happened this past weekend and little or nothing of that is being prominently reported in the mainstream media. A lot of important things that should have happened and didn't are also not being prominently reported by the mainstream media.
What is leading the headlines, the photo ops, the lead paragraphs? It is Boehner saying "F*** you" (twice) to Harry Reid. You have to really dig to find out that this was in response to Reid calling Boehner a dictator and other uncomplimentary terms.
And such is the intellect of today's media and apparently most of those voting for our elected leadership these days.
I think it will be very easy for the repubs to say we gave them their tax hikes on the rich but they wouldn't cut spending. That is a winner in the red states, and maybe also in some purple states if the economy isn't any better.
Yes, well I hope you're right. I really do. But I lost a bet on a good steak dinner that Obama could not be re-elected in the crappy economy we have endured for four years. But I was wrong. And I am now convinced the media can convince the gullible and willing of anything in the world it wants to convince them of.
Do you really think that all those people who voted for Obama want a crappy economy? 8+% unemployment into perpetuity? Want the nation to be financially insolvent? Want an unimiginable number of mortgages to be underwater? Want trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see? Want more than 50% of the population on some kind of government dole?
I don't believe that most of them want that.
But the media was able to convince them that it was the Republicans fault that things are as bad as they are and that the Republicans would continue the misery plus take away what government benefits those same people are receiving.
So I'm not holding my breath that reality and honest assessment of the facts will prevail in the next two years either.
I think it will be very easy for the repubs to say we gave them their tax hikes on the rich but they wouldn't cut spending. That is a winner in the red states, and maybe also in some purple states if the economy isn't any better.
Yes, well I hope you're right. I really do. But I lost a bet on a good steak dinner that Obama could not be re-elected in the crappy economy we have endured for four years. But I was wrong. And I am now convinced the media can convince the gullible and willing of anything in the world it wants to convince them of.
Do you really think that all those people who voted for Obama want a crappy economy? 8+% unemployment into perpetuity? Want the nation to be financially insolvent? Want an unimiginable number of mortgages to be underwater? Want trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see? Want more than 50% of the population on some kind of government dole?
I don't believe that most of them want that.
But the media was able to convince them that it was the Republicans fault that things are as bad as they are and that the Republicans would continue the misery plus take away what government benefits those same people are receiving.
So I'm not holding my breath that reality and honest assessment of the facts will prevail in the next two years either.
I think many of those people who votged for Obama did so because the dems did such a good job demonizing Romney, And Romney did himself no favors with several gaffes that made him look like what the dems were saying he was. And he wasn't the greatest candidate in the world either. IOW, Obama won more cuz of his negative campaign than he did with his own record. Obviously.
Other thing is, and don't kid yourself about this, there are a lot of people on the dole who want to keep it that way. Or they want a bailout/handout; there was a story out of Detroit about a city councilwoman who said she and Detroit voted for Obama and now she expects to get a bailout from him. The unions are the same way, as are the greenies. And Obama will do it too, if he can find a way to get around Congress and don't think he ain't trying to do just that.
Current polls suggest that America wants less gov't spending. Repubs need to jump all over this at every opportunity, just like the dems did over the tax hikes on the wealthy. They made the repubs bite the bullet, and it is now time to return the favor. What goes around comes around.
All I can say is; "Welcome to the USA (United Socialist America)."
We, as a country, avoided the fiscal "pot hole" and sped up toward the "fiscal black hole" of a bankrupt country. We are situated to increase the national debt to 20 trillion dollars by the end of Obama's second term with higher unemployment, lower GDP, and less tax income than ever before. Prices will continue to climb across the board and over 50% of the population will be on goverment support. They already are if you count unemployment as government support. We have become a socialist country and the republic is already dead.
The banning of all firearms is an absolute necessity to continue down this road and it will happen or we will have the greatest civil war that any country has ever suffered. Illinois is in the process of passing the first ban that will test what a state can get away with. They are banning all semi-auto rifles, pistols and shotguns and pump action shotguns; taxing and inspecting all public shooting ranges out of existence and requiring all gun owners to have and use "gun owner registration cards" just like so many countries have just before complete confiscation. The media and schools have been systematically educating our children that guns are bad - no guns are evil - for years. They have convinced a large population that the NRA (that was established with the help of the government to promote gun safety and civilian marksmanship) is an evil organization that buys political power to promote the evils of gun ownership.
I hope that I am wrong but with all that is going on politically, in our schools and in the media I firmly believe that the USA is going the same route as Germany, The USSR, Cuba and China.
If I wa in charge of the GOP I would refuse to run a candidate in the next presidential election because we are in a position where we are no longer able to continue the path that more than 50% of the population wants to go without losing every last bit of the freedoms and rights that we have.
So I bid farewell to the home of the free and the land of the brave.
All I can say is; "Welcome to the USA (United Socialist America)."
We, as a country, avoided the fiscal "pot hole" and sped up toward the "fiscal black hole" of a bankrupt country. We are situated to increase the national debt to 20 trillion dollars by the end of Obama's second term with higher unemployment, lower GDP, and less tax income than ever before. Prices will continue to climb across the board and over 50% of the population will be on goverment support. They already are if you count unemployment as government support. We have become a socialist country and the republic is already dead.
The banning of all firearms is an absolute necessity to continue down this road and it will happen or we will have the greatest civil war that any country has ever suffered. Illinois is in the process of passing the first ban that will test what a state can get away with. They are banning all semi-auto rifles, pistols and shotguns and pump action shotguns; taxing and inspecting all public shooting ranges out of existence and requiring all gun owners to have and use "gun owner registration cards" just like so many countries have just before complete confiscation. The media and schools have been systematically educating our children that guns are bad - no guns are evil - for years. They have convinced a large population that the NRA (that was established with the help of the government to promote gun safety and civilian marksmanship) is an evil organization that buys political power to promote the evils of gun ownership.
I hope that I am wrong but with all that is going on politically, in our schools and in the media I firmly believe that the USA is going the same route as Germany, The USSR, Cuba and China.
If I wa in charge of the GOP I would refuse to run a candidate in the next presidential election because we are in a position where we are no longer able to continue the path that more than 50% of the population wants to go without losing every last bit of the freedoms and rights that we have.
So I bid farewell to the home of the free and the land of the brave.
I can't argue that the danger for us all isn't there, Paul. But as long as we still have our First Amendment Rights of free speech, I do believe there are enough Americans left who want an America of the strong, the brave, and the free that we can still make a difference. But we are going to have to unify on a message and stand firm in order to do that. We can't continue to be sidetracked by poorly understoood or defined social and/or socioeconomic issues. We need to agree on one honest and positive message we can all stand by and support and articulate efficiently and start bringing converts to our side until it is a done deal.
There is no free lunch for any people. Americans will pay a price and the time is fast approaching.
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do. But it takes character and self-control to be understanding and forgiving."
I am not calling you fools, but whether you want to focus on a good decision or good politics to get it, I suggest we stop thinking of what can't happen and start looking for what can happen.
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do. But it takes character and self-control to be understanding and forgiving."
I am not calling you fools, but whether you want to focus on a good decision or good politics to get it, I suggest we stop thinking of what can't happen and start looking for what can happen.
As long as the name of the game is blame and/or oneupmanship and/or making the other guys look bad, and as long as the debate avoids dealing with realities but focuses on insulting or accusing somebody, the chances of us looking for solutions are nil to none.
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do. But it takes character and self-control to be understanding and forgiving."
I am not calling you fools, but whether you want to focus on a good decision or good politics to get it, I suggest we stop thinking of what can't happen and start looking for what can happen.
As long as the name of the game is blame and/or oneupmanship and/or making the other guys look bad, and as long as the debate avoids dealing with realities but focuses on insulting or accusing somebody, the chances of us looking for solutions are nil to none.
And the pols on both sides don't seem to be interested in long term solutions, but instead focus on the next election.