Ta-ta, Justice Kagan!

And that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not a Supreme Court Justice can be compelled by Congress to recuse themselves from cases of possible conflict of issues.

Scalia has presided over cases..most notably Bush v. Gore..where there were clear conflicts of issues.

So..if this comes to pass..are Scalia's decisions in jeporady as well? Or is it only this particular justice in this particular case. Because there are more coming up that will have the same exact sorts of issues for Judge Thomas as well.

Aside from the SCOTUS, who won the Bush-Gore election?

Now be carefull....this is a one-question test of your political acumen...so the pressure is on!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44]‪Jeopardy! Think Music, 1960s 1984-1997‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Gore won the Popular vote.

Bush..in a state where is his BROTHER was govenor, and his campaign manager was Secretary of State..and his cousin on FOX news announced he won the state..had an interesting night in Florida.

Of course...NONE of that means anything to you.

By every measue of the Florida votes, even with battalions of Democrat lawyers making all kinds of extraneous complaints....

Bush won.

When one cuts through your excuses, at least you admit....

...Bush won.

Hey...here's one of the Democrat lawyers now:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7sSMWLwDo&feature=related]‪gangster baby crying‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
 
:cuckoo:you're lost dude....none of that mattered in the end...ask the NY Times...

The decision should not stand. Even Scalia has said it should never be used as a precedent. It was a very very poor decision..

There is no remedy in reversal..but it assures that something this awful won't happen again.

And that's something both sides of the political spectrum should want.
 
:cuckoo:you're lost dude....none of that mattered in the end...ask the NY Times...

The decision should not stand. Even Scalia has said it should never be used as a precedent. It was a very very poor decision..

There is no remedy in reversal..but it assures that something this awful won't happen again.

And that's something both sides of the political spectrum should want.

so, to be clear- whats awful is the wrong guy won, because in the end, the guy who didn't win....didn't....got it:lol:
 
Scalia has presided over cases..most notably Bush v. Gore..where there were clear conflicts of issues.


How so what were the conflicts?

Scalia was appointed by Reagan..who's vice President was George HW Bush.

Scalia is a close personal friend of Dick Cheney..George W. Bush's running mate.

Scalia's sons were lawyers in firms representing George W. Bush.

Those three things alone are enough..

Apparently not. Scalia is one of few Supreme Court justices of whom this could be said: " Scalia's nomination sailed through the Senate Judiciary Committee and the Senate, winning confirmation by a vote of 98-0. Scalia is the first Italian-American to serve on the Court." Link

George H. W. Bush was one of the most unique heros to come out of WWII. The best people wanted to know this man. It's a Bush family trait. Good people like and trust them. They're worthy of friends in high places. It doesn't mean they get a free pass to anything.

Some people do their best to live their lives in a way that is beyond reproach. There's usually a reason for that. Like having a fellow soldier get hit by enemy fire and living to tell about it. He's going to do his best to make it through whatever else the enemy throws at him in order to tell folks back home what a brave person his fellow soldier was.

Fire forges integrity in men. It's rare, but it happens.
 
:cuckoo:you're lost dude....none of that mattered in the end...ask the NY Times...

The decision should not stand. Even Scalia has said it should never be used as a precedent. It was a very very poor decision..

There is no remedy in reversal..but it assures that something this awful won't happen again.

And that's something both sides of the political spectrum should want.

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:
George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election....


New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote - NYTimes.com

An exhaustive review of last year's disputed presidential election in Florida indicates that George W. Bush still would have defeated Al Gore even if Mr. Gore had been granted the limited vote recounts he was seeking. Several U.S. news organizations consider the study the final word on the 2000 presidential election.
The study found that even if Al Gore had won the right to limited recounts in Florida, he still would have lost to Mr. Bush by at least 200 votes. The official results gave Mr. Bush a 537 vote victory.
Newspaper Study Says Bush Won Florida Recount | News | English



Double-Dog Dare ‘ya to respond to this post!
 
:lol:

Astonishing.

There were numerous times Scalia should have recused himself..and did not. That should be the standard now.


It sounds like when Kagen was asked a direct question on the subject, Whether or not she was ever asked for advice, she replied, "No." This sounds pretty much like purjury.

Now we just need to determine what "No" means.

From PC's original post:

During Kagan’s confirmation hearings in the Senate Judiciary Committee, which began on June 28, 2010, Republicans asked her if she had ever been “asked about your opinion regarding the underlying legal or constitutional issues related to any proposed healthcare legislation … or the underlying legal or constitutional issues related to potential litigation resulting from such legislation.” They also asked her whether she had “ever offered any views or comments” on those subjects.

Kagan answered both questions: “No.”
 
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Corporate America, big money American insurers, and ideologically driven conservatives will do anything to stop progress for all Americans. It isn't in their interests to have watchdogs who actually watch over the interests of average Americans. They love most of the fascists on the current court, as fascism's model is corporate control of politics and people.

Democracy after Citizens United | MIT World

"Consider how corporate political clout has shaped critical areas of public policy, Lessig begins. For instance, subsidies to influential corn producers in the past three decades have led to shifts in food production, such as feeding cattle antibiotics to help them digest corn fodder, and high fructose corn syrup pervasive in food and soda. The result: an epidemic of obesity and antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria -- both antithetical to public health. Industries engage in “rent seeking,” contributing to politicians in exchange for some kind of economic advantage, and blocking action in the public interest in the process: fossil fuel industries defeat climate change legislation; financial services defeat tough banking regulation; the health insurance sector defeats truly comprehensive health care law. Now, says Lessig, the Supreme Court has “taken a bad situation and made it much worse,” by lifting restrictions on corporations at election time."
 
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Aside from the SCOTUS, who won the Bush-Gore election?

Now be carefull....this is a one-question test of your political acumen...so the pressure is on!


‪Jeopardy! Think Music, 1960s 1984-1997‬‏ - YouTube

Gore won the Popular vote.

Bush..in a state where is his BROTHER was govenor, and his campaign manager was Secretary of State..and his cousin on FOX news announced he won the state..had an interesting night in Florida.

Of course...NONE of that means anything to you.

Well tanks for the attempt at letting me know what means what to me. But hysterical nonsense doesn't mean much to me.

Bush's campaign manager was NOT Catherin Harris,as far as what TV announcers said or didn't say is irrelevant. Yep the dumbest President ever managed to sway the election so it all came down to just one state,and his brother just happens to be governor.You are just plan nuts !!!

Are you lying..or just ignorant?

2000 US presidential electionMain article: United States presidential election in Florida, 2000
As Secretary of State for the State of Florida (and co-chair of Bush's Florida election efforts), Harris was a central figure in the 2000 US presidential election in Florida. Harris certified that the Republican candidate, then-Texas Governor George W. Bush, had defeated the Democratic candidate, then-Vice President Al Gore, in the popular vote of Florida and thus certified the Republican slate of electors
Katherine Harris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Corporate America, big money American insurers, and ideologically driven conservatives will do anything to stop progress for all Americans. It isn't in their interests to have watchdogs who actually watch over the interests of average Americans. They love most of the fascists on the current court, as fascism's model is corporate control of politics and people.

Democracy after Citizens United | MIT World

"Consider how corporate political clout has shaped critical areas of public policy, Lessig begins. For instance, subsidies to influential corn producers in the past three decades have led to shifts in food production, such as feeding cattle antibiotics to help them digest corn fodder, and high fructose corn syrup pervasive in food and soda. The result: an epidemic of obesity and antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria -- both antithetical to public health. Industries engage in “rent seeking,” contributing to politicians in exchange for some kind of economic advantage, and blocking action in the public interest in the process: fossil fuel industries defeat climate change legislation; financial services defeat tough banking regulation; the health insurance sector defeats truly comprehensive health care law. Now, says Lessig, the Supreme Court has “taken a bad situation and made it much worse,” by lifting restrictions on corporations at election time."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGVHC3_E9BA&feature=fvst]‪The Internationale: Russian Language Version‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
 
Gore won the Popular vote.

Bush..in a state where is his BROTHER was govenor, and his campaign manager was Secretary of State..and his cousin on FOX news announced he won the state..had an interesting night in Florida.

Of course...NONE of that means anything to you.

Well tanks for the attempt at letting me know what means what to me. But hysterical nonsense doesn't mean much to me.

Bush's campaign manager was NOT Catherin Harris,as far as what TV announcers said or didn't say is irrelevant. Yep the dumbest President ever managed to sway the election so it all came down to just one state,and his brother just happens to be governor.You are just plan nuts !!!

Are you lying..or just ignorant?

2000 US presidential electionMain article: United States presidential election in Florida, 2000
As Secretary of State for the State of Florida (and co-chair of Bush's Florida election efforts), Harris was a central figure in the 2000 US presidential election in Florida. Harris certified that the Republican candidate, then-Texas Governor George W. Bush, had defeated the Democratic candidate, then-Vice President Al Gore, in the popular vote of Florida and thus certified the Republican slate of electors
Katherine Harris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Oooooooooooo!

Sally's takin' a spankin' tonight!

And losin' it! He's goin' to the BIG FONT!


(I'll hold yer coat!)
 
:cuckoo:you're lost dude....none of that mattered in the end...ask the NY Times...

The decision should not stand. Even Scalia has said it should never be used as a precedent. It was a very very poor decision..

There is no remedy in reversal..but it assures that something this awful won't happen again.

And that's something both sides of the political spectrum should want.

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:
George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election....


New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote - NYTimes.com

An exhaustive review of last year's disputed presidential election in Florida indicates that George W. Bush still would have defeated Al Gore even if Mr. Gore had been granted the limited vote recounts he was seeking. Several U.S. news organizations consider the study the final word on the 2000 presidential election.
The study found that even if Al Gore had won the right to limited recounts in Florida, he still would have lost to Mr. Bush by at least 200 votes. The official results gave Mr. Bush a 537 vote victory.
Newspaper Study Says Bush Won Florida Recount | News | English



Double-Dog Dare ‘ya to respond to this post!

Respond to what?

All of it is a load of crap. Aside from the fact that there were massive conflict of interest issues all over the government of Florida...that data was completely corrupt.

The entire vote should have been ruled invalid. Florida was purging votes of "Felons" that didn't turn out to be felons. And many votes were conveniently "lost".

The simple solution should have been a run off.
 
Scalia has presided over cases..most notably Bush v. Gore..where there were clear conflicts of issues.


How so what were the conflicts?

Scalia was appointed by Reagan..who's vice President was George HW Bush.

Scalia is a close personal friend of Dick Cheney..George W. Bush's running mate.

Scalia's sons were lawyers in firms representing George W. Bush.

Those three things alone are enough..


All appointees are beholding to the appointer. You fabricate a prejudice where there is none.

Kagen actually worked on behalf of the specific program that will be reviewed for Consitutionality. This is a a specific and direct conflict since she actually worked on the formulation and defense of Obamacare.
 
The decision should not stand. Even Scalia has said it should never be used as a precedent. It was a very very poor decision..

There is no remedy in reversal..but it assures that something this awful won't happen again.

And that's something both sides of the political spectrum should want.

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:
George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election....


New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote - NYTimes.com

An exhaustive review of last year's disputed presidential election in Florida indicates that George W. Bush still would have defeated Al Gore even if Mr. Gore had been granted the limited vote recounts he was seeking. Several U.S. news organizations consider the study the final word on the 2000 presidential election.
The study found that even if Al Gore had won the right to limited recounts in Florida, he still would have lost to Mr. Bush by at least 200 votes. The official results gave Mr. Bush a 537 vote victory.
Newspaper Study Says Bush Won Florida Recount | News | English



Double-Dog Dare ‘ya to respond to this post!

Respond to what?

All of it is a load of crap. Aside from the fact that there were massive conflict of interest issues all over the government of Florida...that data was completely corrupt.

The entire vote should have been ruled invalid. Florida was purging votes of "Felons" that didn't turn out to be felons. And many votes were conveniently "lost".

The simple solution should have been a run off.

Liberal papers report that every possible scenario gave Bush the election.....

....poor, poor Sally..,


I can just imagine the DT's you're gonna have November 3rd of 2012.....

Now, I’d love to hear the rest of your rant, but I’m very busy…I have several more quarters to flip.
 
And that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not a Supreme Court Justice can be compelled by Congress to recuse themselves from cases of possible conflict of issues.

Scalia has presided over cases..most notably Bush v. Gore..where there were clear conflicts of issues.

So..if this comes to pass..are Scalia's decisions in jeporady as well? Or is it only this particular justice in this particular case. Because there are more coming up that will have the same exact sorts of issues for Judge Thomas as well.

Aside from the SCOTUS, who won the Bush-Gore election?

Now be carefull....this is a one-question test of your political acumen...so the pressure is on!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44]‪Jeopardy! Think Music, 1960s 1984-1997‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

Gore won the Popular vote.

Bush..in a state where is his BROTHER was govenor, and his campaign manager was Secretary of State..and his cousin on FOX news announced he won the state..had an interesting night in Florida.

Of course...NONE of that means anything to you.



Does the FACT that all of the recounts went Bush's way mean nothing to you?
 
Aside from the SCOTUS, who won the Bush-Gore election?

Now be carefull....this is a one-question test of your political acumen...so the pressure is on!


‪Jeopardy! Think Music, 1960s 1984-1997‬‏ - YouTube

Gore won the Popular vote.

Bush..in a state where is his BROTHER was govenor, and his campaign manager was Secretary of State..and his cousin on FOX news announced he won the state..had an interesting night in Florida.

Of course...NONE of that means anything to you.

Well tanks for the attempt at letting me know what means what to me. But hysterical nonsense doesn't mean much to me.

Bush's campaign manager was NOT Catherin Harris,as far as what TV announcers said or didn't say is irrelevant. Yep the dumbest President ever managed to sway the election so it all came down to just one state,and his brother just happens to be governor.You are just plan nuts !!!



Are you wearing a tin foil hat as you type this stuff?
 
Scalia has presided over cases..most notably Bush v. Gore..where there were clear conflicts of issues.


How so what were the conflicts?

Scalia was appointed by Reagan..who's vice President was George HW Bush.

Scalia is a close personal friend of Dick Cheney..George W. Bush's running mate.

Scalia's sons were lawyers in firms representing George W. Bush.

Those three things alone are enough..


All appointees are beholding to the appointer. You fabricate a prejudice where there is none.

Kagen actually worked on behalf of the specific program that will be reviewed for Consitutionality. This is a a specific and direct conflict since she actually worked on the formulation and defense of Obamacare.

Fine.

I'd love this congress to put out legislation that would be this specific.

It would be great.

Because it would demonstrate they are completely incapable of understanding the Constitution or how exactly legislation works.

Go for it.
 
In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:
George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election....


New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote - NYTimes.com

An exhaustive review of last year's disputed presidential election in Florida indicates that George W. Bush still would have defeated Al Gore even if Mr. Gore had been granted the limited vote recounts he was seeking. Several U.S. news organizations consider the study the final word on the 2000 presidential election.
The study found that even if Al Gore had won the right to limited recounts in Florida, he still would have lost to Mr. Bush by at least 200 votes. The official results gave Mr. Bush a 537 vote victory.
Newspaper Study Says Bush Won Florida Recount | News | English



Double-Dog Dare ‘ya to respond to this post!

Respond to what?

All of it is a load of crap. Aside from the fact that there were massive conflict of interest issues all over the government of Florida...that data was completely corrupt.

The entire vote should have been ruled invalid. Florida was purging votes of "Felons" that didn't turn out to be felons. And many votes were conveniently "lost".

The simple solution should have been a run off.

Liberal papers report that every possible scenario gave Bush the election.....

....poor, poor Sally..,


I can just imagine the DT's you're gonna have November 3rd of 2012.....

Now, I’d love to hear the rest of your rant, but I’m very busy…I have several more quarters to flip.

:lol:

Beer pong..eh?
 
Aside from the SCOTUS, who won the Bush-Gore election?

Now be carefull....this is a one-question test of your political acumen...so the pressure is on!


‪Jeopardy! Think Music, 1960s 1984-1997‬‏ - YouTube

Gore won the Popular vote.

Bush..in a state where is his BROTHER was govenor, and his campaign manager was Secretary of State..and his cousin on FOX news announced he won the state..had an interesting night in Florida.

Of course...NONE of that means anything to you.



Does the FACT that all of the recounts went Bush's way mean nothing to you?

We are talking about numbers so small that the data is suspect.

Seriously.
 
And that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not a Supreme Court Justice can be compelled by Congress to recuse themselves from cases of possible conflict of issues.

Scalia has presided over cases..most notably Bush v. Gore..where there were clear conflicts of issues.

So..if this comes to pass..are Scalia's decisions in jeporady as well? Or is it only this particular justice in this particular case. Because there are more coming up that will have the same exact sorts of issues for Judge Thomas as well.

Aside from the SCOTUS, who won the Bush-Gore election?

Now be carefull....this is a one-question test of your political acumen...so the pressure is on!

Gore won the Popular vote.

Bush..in a state where is his BROTHER was govenor, and his campaign manager was Secretary of State..and his cousin on FOX news announced he won the state..had an interesting night in Florida.

Of course...NONE of that means anything to you.

CLAIMING Gore won the non relevant popular vote is akin to saying that someone who lost a tennis tournament 7-6, 2-6, 7-6 was really the winner because he won 18 games and the other guy won 16. Its not the way the winner is determined and its a fraudulent claim anyway because the gap between Bush and Gore was less than the several million uncounted absentee ballots (they weren't counted because they didn't change a given state's outcome)
 
Respond to what?

All of it is a load of crap. Aside from the fact that there were massive conflict of interest issues all over the government of Florida...that data was completely corrupt.

The entire vote should have been ruled invalid. Florida was purging votes of "Felons" that didn't turn out to be felons. And many votes were conveniently "lost".

The simple solution should have been a run off.

Liberal papers report that every possible scenario gave Bush the election.....

....poor, poor Sally..,


I can just imagine the DT's you're gonna have November 3rd of 2012.....

Now, I’d love to hear the rest of your rant, but I’m very busy…I have several more quarters to flip.

:lol:

Beer pong..eh?

I see all the signs of your misspent youth!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOndvQqm5rU]‪Unbelievable Beer Pong Guys‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
 

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